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Jan 27, 2013 11:30am EST
"meet the press" conversation. this week a focus on foreign policy. it didn't get much attention in the president's inaugural address, but as his second term is underway, there's certainly a lot of focus on some of the big areas that he will be occupied by when it comes to national security and the world. what are some of the big bets that president obama can make to cement his legacy abroad? joining me is martin indyk of the brookings institution, an assistant secretary of state for president clinton and also the author of "bending history, barack obama's foreign policy." i got to take part in a conversation of big bets, black swans, a presidential briefing where you and the team at brookings write about both some of the real dangers in foreign policy as well as some areas where the president can make an impact if he so chooses. there's a lot to digest including the fact a new secretary of state is going to be presumably confirmed by the senate, john kerry. and yet in the financial times as we do this interview it is hillary clinton and the questions she faced about the death of ou
Jan 27, 2013 7:00pm EST
washington. the writing has appeared in "the new york times," "politico," foreign policy and washington monthly among others. they came to us last night from virginia, took a late night train and what i'd like to do is turn it over to you for your thoughts and comments to start off. >> thank you very much. i'm going to start for us today. let me thank you much for hosting us to thank you for coming. it's an honor pleasure and we look forward to nature scene discussion today. i'm going to start with two provocative themes from our new book, "going to tehran: why the united states must come to terms with the islamic republic of iran". the first of these means, and these two get at the heart of our book. the united states is today enhanced and for the past two years a power and relative decline in the middle east. the second core team as the biggest beneficiary of american ongoing decline in the middle east is the islamic republic of iran. if you're not sure you agree with these propositions, i want to ask you to compare the relative position of the united states and the islamic
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Jan 22, 2013 3:00pm PST
world full of problems. we look at the foreign policy agenda when the all-stars join me after the break. i'm phil mic. i've been fortunate to win on golf's biggest stages. but when joint pain and stiffness from psoriatic arthritis hit, even the smallest things became difficult. i finally understood what serious joint pain is like. i talked to my rheumatologist and he prescribed enbrel. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffness, and stop joint damage. enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, nervous system and blood disorders, and allergic reactions have occurred. before starting enbrel, your doctor should test you for tuberculosis and discuss whether you've been to a region you should not start enbrel if you have an infection like the flu tell your doctor if you're prone to infections, haveuts or sores, have had hepatitis b, have been treated for heart failure, or if you have symptoms such as persistent fever, bruising, bleeding, or paleness. [ phil ] get back to the things that matter m
Jan 21, 2013 7:00pm PST
issues. there was not much on foreign policy. let's take a listen to what he did have to say. >> we will uphold our values through strength of arm and rule of law. we will show the courage to try to resolve our issues peacefully, not because we are naive about the dangers we face but because engagement can lift suspicion and fear. america will remain the anchor of strong alliances in every corner of the globe, and we will renew those institutions that extend our capacity to manage a crisis abroad, and no one has a greater stake in a peaceful world. >> we are joined by the director of the center at the atlantic council. thanks for being with us. we just heard the entire context of the mention of foreign policy. are you surprised how little was mentioned? >> not at all. this is the essence of foreign policy where we need to focus on domestic renewal. there were some bold initiatives in terms of rhetoric in the first year of the administration. we heard the cairo speech talking to the muslim world. we heard the prague speech, but the follow-up was a little bit tepid, so i think you wil
Jan 27, 2013 8:00am EST
africa and i think that's one core part of the legacy of the first administration's foreign policy and hillary clinton's tenure at state and i think the defining external event to the administration of foreign policy has been the arab spring, obviously, and all that uncorked and how to manage that. but before we get to that, we still have robin on satellite. i want to talk about the relationship between the president and hillary clinton and the degree to which the legacy of foreign policy in the first term has been hillary clinton's legacy and the degree to which it really has been -- the shots have been called from the white house because a lot of reporting on this has been very interesting. tonight there's going to be an interview on "60 minutes" that's a joint interview between the president and hillary clinton, a joint exit interview, and this is what the president had to say about hillary clinton's legacy. >> hillary will go down as one of the finest secretary of states we've had. it has been a great collaboration over the last four years. i'm going to miss her. i wish she was sti
Jan 24, 2013 12:00pm EST
been a dearth of discussion around foreign policy, and in some part that's due because the republicans themselves don't have -- have not verbalized or outlined a foreign policy agenda that's measurably different from that which the president is pursuing. i want to draw your attention to an article in the boston globe, an op ed that says basically the idea of a foreign policy doctrine is outmoded. grand strategies are overrated. they are no more likely to guide this nation to noble he was than painful ones. intervention is fervor, no matter the reason, tends to reflect not reality, but advocacy by people with agendas. one of the issues right now is that the president faces a number of shifting puzzle pieces around the globe. does that, in effect, mean that there cannot be an obama doctrine that applies globally? >> i think it's always helpful for a president and an administration to have a foreign policy and a philosophy about how to approach foreign policy, but you are right that even the greatest enunciation of strategy can be impacted by kind of the short-term retactical challenges t
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Jan 24, 2013 12:00pm PST
without a hitch. but today we learn where senator kerry stands on key foreign policy challenges, including iran's nuclear amibitions. salt lake, known city, known for skiing and snow in the winter, not dangerous smog. new pictures coming up as we approach the bottom of the hour and live news right here in "studio b." make it worth watcng. introducing the 2013 lexus ls. an entirely new pursuit. [ male announcer ] it's red lobster's 30 shrimp! for $11.99 pair any two shrimp selections on one plate! like mango jalapeÑo shrimp and parmesan crunch shrimp. just $11.99. offer ends soon! i'm ryon stewart, and i sea food diffently. just $11.99. offer ends soon! ( bell rings ) they remwish i saw mine of my granmore often, but they live so far away. i've been thinking about moving in with my daughter and her family. it's been pretty tough since jack passed away. it's a good thing you had life insurance through the colonial penn program. you're right. it was affordable, and we were guaranteed acceptance. guaranteed acceptance? it means you can't be turned down because of your health. you d
Jan 24, 2013 10:00am EST
furtherance of american foreign policy. i'll have some questions later on policies and your views, including how you explain to world leaders how you could have been rooting for the boston red sox instead of what the world knows as the new york yankees as the team of the world, but lets me say, mr. chairman, it's been a pleasure working with you and looking forward to continuing to work with you on the issues you have championed over the years. fighting global terrorism, preventing the spread of nuclear pilogical and chemical weapons. fighting for human rights and against hiv/aids around the world. fighting crime, corruption, drug trafficking and stabding up as you always have for the interest of the foreign service around the world. in your new role, should you be confirmed and i know you will, you will be center stage, representing the interests of all of us, from securing our embassies and protecting our overseas personnel to promoting commerce and enhancing cross cultural ties and keeping america secure through cooperation where possible and isolation where necessary as in the case of ir
Jan 27, 2013 9:00am EST
," politico, foreign policy and washington monthly, among others. they came to us last night from virginia. they took the late night train and stayed here. and what i'd like to do is just turn it over to you for your thoughts and comments to start off. >> well, thank you very much. i'm going to start off for us today. let me start by thanking you for hosting us. it's a real honor and pleasure, and we look forward to an interesting discussion today. i'm going to start with two provocative themes from our new book, "going to tehran: why the united states must come to terms with the islam you can republic of iran." the first of these themes, and these two really get at the heart of our book. the first of these themes is that the united states is today and has been for the past few years a power in relative decline in the middle east. and the second core theme is that the biggest beneficiary of america's ongoing decline in the middle east is the islamic republic of iran. if you're not sure you agree with these propositions, i want to ask you to compare the relative positions of the un
Jan 27, 2013 8:00am PST
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Jan 22, 2013 11:00pm EST
president is his life experience as a union negotiator was put to work in foreign policy. and what do you do if you're a negotiator you ask for a hundred percent and several for 50. you say the union reserves the right to lie cheat and steal he called it an evil empire before the national association of evangelicals in orlando, you can't make this stuff up. and then in 1985, safely reelected he meets with gorbachev and led to standing in the red square with gorbachev and say there's no longer an evil empire that belonged to another time. a year later the year he left the office ten months after he left washington the berlin wall comes down. so i think michael's exactly right about yes, coming out of the presidency he seemed to be an era of greed and deficits but it's pretty safe to say right now he's remembered for pretty effective foreign policy. >> rose: i want to focus on foreign policy. so what is the challenge for the president in foreign policy? >> my discussions with him for the first book i did obama's wars and looking exactly how he makes decisions, it's very clear he does not like
Jan 26, 2013 12:00pm PST
administration, kerry is basically at the end of the day carrying a foreign policy set by the president and if you were going do it, we would have done it already and now with the mess that has become syria where you have islamic militant groups, you have assad militias running around and we have kurdish groups running around, i think the u.s. is scared of getting involved. >> i was struck by something that you said on inauguration day. you talked about the glaring absence of discussion in the foreign policy in the president's speech. how did you characterize this president's approach to foreign policy? >> i think he doesn't want to deal with it, frankly. a lot of people in this country would agree with him. i think this administration would much rather focus on guns and taxes and other social issues and not deal with the quagmire that is the middle east. the bush years were deep in iraq and afghanistan trying to get between the sunni and shia fight and i think this administration would rather not deal with it. sounds great, but i don't think that's an option because the foreign policy and the
Jan 22, 2013 9:00am PST
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Jan 24, 2013 10:00am EST
and the furtherance of american foreign policy. i'll have some questions later on policies and your views, including how you explain to world leaders how you could have been rooting for the boston red sox instead of what the world knows as the new york yankees as the team of the world, but let me say, mr. chairman, it's been a pleasure working with you and looking forward to continuing to work with you in the issues you've championed over the years. fighting global terrorism, preventing the spread of nuclear biological, chemical weapons, fighting for human rights and against hiv-aids around the world, fighting crime, corruption, drug trafficking and standing up, as you always have, for the interest of the foreign service around the world. in your role, should you will be confirmed, and i know you will, your portfolio will be greatly expanded, you will represent the interests of all of us, from securing our embassies and protecting our overseas personnel to promoting commerce, enhancing cross-cultural ties and keeping america secure through cooperation, where possible, and isolation
Jan 28, 2013 9:00am PST
vandenberg became an internationalist huge deal in american foreign policy in the late 1940s. if -- >> like when -- >> if there are two people that would get it. if this is a real deal, what you say, with talk radio -- >> i think it is. >> moving on this issue, and i think the bill -- >> let's also keep in mind that the democrats are trying to turn texas blue. there is work afoot to capitalize on the demographic question here. >> jody, this is my question. i feel like we're -- this is a big moment for the republican party in terms of brand and also policy. i haut this was an incredible moment when jim demint is asked about the comments that colin powell made about a dark vein of intolerance, the racism within the republican party, and also republican comments on legitimate rape and this is how jim demint, who is now president or incoming president of the heritage foundation, presumably a leading voice among conservatives, this is his answer. >> do you regret some of the comments about abortion, about rape. again, what colin powell were vailed racist comments from the party. >> david, the fa
Jan 27, 2013 2:00pm EST
foreign policy opens a new chapter. it's among the topics we will tackle with our political roundtable up next after this break. you can prevent gas with beano meltaways, or treat gas with these after you get it. now that's like sunblock before or sun burn cream later. oh, somebody out there's saying, now i get it! take beano before and there'll be no gas. [ coughs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] you can't let a cold keep you up tonight. vicks nyquil -- powerful nighttime 6-symptom cold & flu relief. ♪ >>> we're back with our roundtable. president and ceo of naacp ben jealous. incoming president of the heritage foundation, former senator jim demint. nbc news special correspondent for rock center ted koppel. nbc's own ted koppel. and associate editor for "the washington post," bob woodward. and nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell. welcome to all of you. a lot to get to. and as we react to paul ryan this morning, i want to show some of the headlines from the president's inaugural address. obama offers a liberal vision. we must act. charles krauthammer wrote this in "the
Jan 28, 2013 2:00am EST
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Jan 27, 2013 6:30am EST
>>> from washington, the "the mclaughlin group," the american original. for over three decades, the sharpest minds, best sources, hardest talk. >> "the mclaughlin group" is brought to you by siemens. across the country we're building answers for hospitals, utilities, cities, and factories, and we're building them to last. siemens. answers. >>> i take responsibility, and nobody is more committed to getting this right. >> secretary of state hillary clinton gave the details of that responsibility this week at two congressional hearings. one in the senate, one in the house. on what happened at the u.s. consulate at benghazi, libya, four and a half months ago on september 11th. four americans were killed in the attack, including the u.s. ambassador to libya, christopher stevens. secretary clinton became emotional as she described the scene at andrews air force base in maryland just outside washington, d.c. >> i stood next to president obama as the marines carried those flag-draped caskets off the plane at andrews. i put my arms around the mothers and fathers, the sisters and brothers, the sons and daughters and the wives left alone to raise their children. >> in libya, before the attack, ambassador stevens cabled the state department, asking for more security. at the hearing, the secretary was asked about hothis request and others like them from the u.s. embassy in libya were handled. >> the specific security requests pertaining to benghazi, you know, were handled by the security professionals in the department. i didn't see those requests. they didn't come to me. i didn't approve them, i didn't deny them. >> hearing this, senator rand paul on the senate foreign relations committee said this to the secretary. >> had i been president at the time and i found that you did not read the cables from benghazi, you did not read the cables from ambassador stevens, i would have relieved you of your post. i think it's inexcusable. >> >> we were misled that there were supposedly protests, then something sprang out of that, an assault sprang out of that and that was easily ascertained that that was not the fact, and the american people could have known that within days, and they didn't know that. >> with all due respect, the fact is we had four dead americans. >> i understand. >> was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk who decided they'd go kill some americans? what difference at this point does it make? it is our job to figure out what happened and can to preve happening again, senator. >> is she right? what difference does it make? or is she wrong? >> i think it does make a difference, john, but i think she handled herself extremely well. there are three questions. why was security not provided despite the pleas. why was help not sent to these guys over seven hours of attacks, and what is responsible for the massive cover-up and fake stories about this video, anti-muslim video. she said to the third, i had nothing to do with the talking points, nothing to do with the military, i take responsibility for the lack of security. however, all these memos and cables that came, they all didn't come into my office personally, but i take responsibility. i think she handled it well, john. and the issue i think is pretty much gone now, and the republicans did it not succeed in what they were trying to cue. >> how would you describe hillary clinton at the house and the senate hearings? what kind of an adjective would you use? >> i would say she was commanding, i would say she was presidential. she came across very much as someone who is shouldering responsibility but she also avoided taking any of the blame. that was a very good balancing act, and she handled all of the questioning, and i thought she brought some reality to this. the republicans say, the state department could easily have known what was happening. first of all, what we've learned since is this outpost was basically a cia operation. you don't talk about these things in public. the right wing had this fantasy that they were watching the demonstrations and the attack unfold in real-time on video. none of that happened. and she, i think, really turned back the notion that this was a minutive event on the part of the administration to deny that this was a terrorist attack. this was basically something that happened in a very chaoti situation. the republicans tried to turn it into watergate, and it didn't work. >> she also waited a few months, which is not what sun rice did, and susan rice got into deep trouble. in other words, shmonths. >> she had nothing to do with the aftermath, john. >> who didn't? >> susan rice. that's all the aftermath. >> you don't understand me. susan rice went on television early. >> she was sent out to do it. >> she, did and hillary waited, and she did -- that helped her in this presentation. >> she escaped the initial heat of all this, and she had a lot of time to think of a good way to kind of get out of the blame game here. and really, this hearing, i think the wfort thing about this hearing, aside from the politics, we still walked away without any answers. there are, yes, four dead americans, one of whom was pleading for extra help, extra security from the state department, and he didn't get it. and there were no clear answers as to why. all we got out of it was that hillary clinton was not to blame. >> hillary clinton has traveled almost a million miles since she's been secretary of state. that means she's been absent from the state debt. however, with modern technology that should be no problem, but there is something missing when there is no physical presence. do you think that there should be some -- this is a serious question. there should be some evolution, either in our thinking about the role of no other person in her position has traveled that much and been away that much. should she be -- should that be a presidential envoy special assignment, special condition separate from her cabinet position? >> you know, in that particular role, dealing with our foreign policy, there is no substitute for having the secretary of state develop personal relationships and get a direct feel from the people that she is trying to deal with and trying to move towards an american position, whatever that may be, so i don't think you can do it. i don't think you can send a substitute. it just goes with the territory. the secretary of state has to be prepared to travel all around the world. those personal relationships are critical for the ability of the united states to bring people along with her. >> she stands alone. no other secretary of state has ever traveled that much. they've never been away that much. >> maybe not that much, but secretaries of state have been traveling a heck of a lot more over the last few years. >> are you saying she has redefined the secretary of state position and role? >> no, no, no. >> i think what she does is a part and has been a part of the secretary of state role -- >> i bet they haven't even traveled a quarter of the miles. >> john, you ought to have somebody there -- >> she surpassed a predecessor, i think it was madeline al bright who held the record. >> what was albright's record? >> this is a million miles. >> excuse me, hillary just passed that record in the last couple of months. so it's not that big a deal. >> john what you're saying -- >> pat, please, i would like to finish. >> go ahead. >> in terms of the accountability here, there was an accountability aboard that she appear pointed that reported, that calls for like 29 different reforms which goes step by step where it was broken down, and maybe she should have read those cables, and i would hope that john kerry -- >> she doesn't have to. with the enhanced technology we have. >> john, let me talk to your point. >> she is not going to read every cable. >> the cable was addressed to her. we have a copy of the cable on this broadcast. >> john, let me talk to your point. you're exactly right. if she is going to do this million miles of travel there ought to be an executive deputy of hers at the state department in the building. >> i'm sure she had that. >> why didn't he or she have the cables and read them? >> the problem is -- >> people lost their jobs over this. >> this is all the nitty-gritty here. the overall problem with what happened in libya was that the obama administration didn't want us to be heavily armed there because we were trying to develop a relationship and they wanted to look as though we were, you know, on friendlier > africa. let's get into that. africa. what's the big picture? >> benghazi did not happen in a vacuum. the arab revolutions have scrambled power dynamics and shattered security forces across the region. instability in mali has created an expanding safe haven for terrorists who look to expand their influence and plot further attacks of the kind we saw just last week in algeria. >> what happened last week in algeria, north africa, was the murder of at least 37 hostages, including three americans at the militants attack a natural gas plant in the eastern part of the country. the al-qaida splinter group called the signers with blood brigade claimed responsibility. question is the volatility in north africa an outcome of the arab spring, or does it predate the arab spring? patrick. >> john, some of it predates the arab spring, but what this shows, and what the hillary thing was about, the complete disaster of what we done libya. we dumped over this corrupt dictator and all these forces moved out of there. they went into mali. you have al-qaida in the mob grab moving through that, they're in mauretania and niger. the point of this is the administration covered up the fact that al-qaida was not on the run, it was not on the path to defeat, it was responsible for what happened in benghazi, and it is all over the place now. >> we're letting the french handle things now. i think it's more kind of leading from behind on foreign policy, and it's incredibly dangerous, because as pat was saying, al-qaida is not on the run, they're on the rise, and nothing is being done about it. >> al-qaida central has been virtually decimated, but what they espouse, or all over the place, i think the administration -- you have to be engaged but you handle in a different way. they're not going to put boots on the ground. they're going to assist the french. the french have more of an interest in mali than we do. you are going to see more use, probably of drones. the administration is not ignoring this area. all of the critics are out there saying do this, do this, do this. like what? nobody really has any great answers. >> i have a question for you. africa is rich in natural resources. the chinese know that. the chinese have penetrated a lot of africa. are we missing the boat? >> well, i don't know that we're missing the boat, but certainly china is in a very different position than us, and they have the people who can go in there and live in that kind of environment. >> what does that mean? >> it means it's a much more difficult owe. >> no, what does it mean about the chinese you're talking about? >> they have a huge appetite for the natural resources. >> and we don't? >> oh no, we do, but we have other resources. the fact that this is something that gives them a primary call on a lot of resources of the region. they've put in a lot of money. we haven't been willing to do that. >> we have two reasons for being there. one, africa is a central front with al kay dan. number two, these resources that we really have not been attending to in any fashion resem bling the chinese. >> that's true. >> chinese will deal with anybody. they're right there in the sudan. they will go and deal with anybody. >> they were in africa early. >> they put cash on the barrel head. they're all over latin america, all over africa, john. they are dealing in a commercial mercantile way with these regimes, and we have a foreign policy that deals of of israel. meet yahir lapide. >> a new arrival on the scene is and personality lapide who leads israel. why has netanyahu lost steam? >> this is a very interesting revolution. there's no doubt but this election, in fact with the defeat for netanyahu. >> meaning what? he won the election. >> he may be the next prime minister. his party went down. >> who, yahir? >> no, netanyahu's own party went down from 42 seats to 31 seats. so his party had fewer seats. this guy came out of nowhere. his first time running for office. he got 19 seats. he became the most -- the second most important party in -- out of nowhere. so he has become the star of this thing. and netanyahu is going to have to make a deal with him. all of the politicians are splintered but it's never been like this. now netanyahu is going to have to move, if i may say so, this is now a center right. it is going to be much more pragmatic and open. >> how long is his term? >> five years, isn't it? >> it can be as much as five years but it almost never lasts five years because the coalition breaks up. >> how long do you think he will be prime minister? >> i think the next three years at least. >> what happened to ohlmert? >> in my judgment if he had been prime minister or sharon, or rabin, you would have had a settlement in the israeli palestine. >> he did not exactly come out of nowhere. he's been a popular on-camera broadcaster. his father created a centrist party. he looks like an israeli george clooney and has captured the imagination of the young. his main issue was the ultra orthodox should not be exempt from military service, so i think he is a critical player here going forward. >> i just want to know whether netanyahu -- >> no, john. >> not now. >> i think netanyahu may be on the way out. we will see how this government works. >> john, he is going to put together a coalition. >> it's political pressure from his within his own cabinet. it is not going to be from the right. >> it is going to be from the right. look, you've got lapide's party, netanyahu, his own partner in there, and the shah's party is going to be there. >> what's the point? >> the coalitions of the good, the bad, and the ugly. >> when we come back -- >> and the center. that's good. >> when we come back, >>> issue two. inauguration day. >> we, the people, declare today that the most evident of truths, that all of us are created equal, is the star that guides us still, just as it guided our fore bearers through seneca falls and selma and stonewall, just it is a guided all those men and women, sung and unsung, who left footprints along this great mall to hear a preacher say that we cannot walk alone, to hear a king proclaim that our individual freedom is inextricably bound to the freedom of every soul on earth. >> on inauguration day, monday, president barack obama gave his second inaugural address to the nation. it ran 18 minutes and was delivered before a throng of >> question was president obama's speech unabashedly liberal? i ask you, susan. >> of course. everything he said from talking about gay marriage, immigration reform. all these things part and parcel of the liberal agenda. if anything, a lot of people saying, if you are reading twitter, wow this is surprising that he is willing to go right into gay marriage. he's the first person in an inaugural speech to say the word gay. it was very liberal. >> this is the problem that the republicans face. if they think all these great issues of the day are solely the province of the democratic party and liberalism, they are never going to win another election. i say the president did a great job rooting these ideals and these values in the great traditions of the past and referencing them to the founding fathers, talking about what dwight eisenhower did. >> hold on, pat. >> it was a stirring piece that will go down in history. >> if you think the stone wall riot in a gay brash in greenwich village can be traced all the way back to bunker hill and the founding fathers you don't read what the founding fathers believed or say. >> let's play another bite of the president. excuse me. let's play another bite of at the present time, a living document. >> the president alluded frequently to the u.s. constitution. the nation's founding document. one that the president made clear is not set in stone. >> we have always understood that when times change, so must we. that fidelity to our founding principles requires new responses to new challenges. being true to our founding documents does not require us to agree on every contour of life. it does not mean we all define liberty inexactly the same way. or follow the same precise path to happiness. progress does not compel us to settle centuries long debate about the role of government for all-time, but it does require us to act in our time. >> question. given this passage is there any doubt in your mind that president obama's view is that the u.s. constitution is antiquated? >> i wouldn't say antiquated but i would say that it's pastime for people to hide behind the constitution and fail to face the challenges of today. and the most immediate issue that comes to mind, of course, is gun violence. and to rely on a second amendment that basically talks about creation -- creating militias to put down rebellion to apply that today to an unfettered right to have assault weapons with 30 or 60 rounds so you can go out and gun down little children, that then the constitution can be interpreted in a more elastic way. >> don't you think he's doing us a favor by remaining us that it is a living document and it must be accommodated to the conditions of today, but that doesn't necessarily has to be ripped apart or ignored in any respect. >> i agree with both sides of what you just said but it is a living document. it has been evolving throughout the history of this country. the courts ultimately are going to be the deciders, as we say, over how far it can go and how far government can go, but there is no doubt but we allow this constitution and nurture this constitution as a living document because conditions change in the country. >> but, john, he is claiming, i mean, eleanor calls it his ref liewrks and she's right, but the roots on gay rights, modern feminism and all the rest go back to the nineteen sick. they do not go back to the constitution of the united states, which was written by people that did not believe in equality. >> are they consistent with the constitution? >> the wordy quality is not in the constitution, it's not tin bill of rights and not tin federalists papers. >> does that many it's excluded from the thinking of the founding fatters? >> the revolution is a modern thing and cannot betrayed back. >> does it mean that as a living document you can find it in the constitution but it is not going to be obvious? >> he can put it in the constitution by subterfuge but it is not there. >> revolution is not a modern thing. revolution goes back to the beginning of this country. and when you -- >> and you cannot after document -- >> let susan in. >> the tone, when talking about the constitution during that speech was a little dismissive like, yeah, there's a constitution, but we can work around it. >> do you share that view? did she use the -- she used the word dismissive. >> i think she's exactly right. >> do you think so? >> it was ref rential. >> you do think so. was it dismissive at all? >> no, reverential. >> this is a constitutional document so we have to pay it appropriate reverence, but it cannot be frozen, otherwise our country would come to a halt. so it is the role of government and ultimately the role of the courts as we saw in the 1930s to allow -- >> point of fact, we have treated it as a living document. >> absolutely. >> but it works. nevertheless. because the seeds of what -- of these -- for example, the women's right to vote and all that, all of that is there, but it's -- so it's not really antiquated in the -- it's living, but that's the point he wanted to make. >> if we didn't allow it to be interpreted in some ways it would become an antiindicated document ?roo. we'll be right back with (woman) 3 days of walking to give a breast cancer survivor a lifetime-- that's definitely a fair trade. whoo! you walk with friends, you meet new friends, and you keep those friendships. it was such a beautiful experience. 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increases with obama care. new tax increases at the beginning of this month. and now they are calling for even more tax increases, and they are not calling to cut spending. they are calling for spending increases. so basically what they're saying is, they want americans to pay more so washington can spend more. that's not going to help the economy, and that is not going to close the gap and balance the budget. the reason we want to balance the budget is not to make the numbers add up. we think that's necessary for growth and opportunity. we think it's necessary to make sure that our kids don't get this debt that they won't be able to handle if we keep going down the path we are on. >> but there are certainly those in the white house who would take issue with what you said or might even say to use your own criticism that's a straw man argume argument. they were prepared to cut additional spending to be part of a bigger agreement that republicans weren't able to agree to. there is more room for spending cuts. it's a matter of how you do it. >> the president was insisting on more stimulus spending during the fiscal cliff negotiations. he didn't get that. they haven't put out a plan. the reason we wanted the debt limit extended was to showcase our budget. we will put a budget up that says here is our plan for economic growth and balancing the budget, entitlement reform which is necessary to save medicare from bankruptcy and get this debt under control. the president hasn't offered any of those kinds of plans in public. they tried to do back room deals, but those seem to fall apart. we want to debate it in public to contrast these visions. >> i want to keep up with some terms you're using here. you say the president wants to raise tax rates. a lot of the democrats i talked to and even the white house said they are willing to do tax reform where there could be additional revenue. are you opposed to any additional revenue that could come from tax reform? >> we offered that back in the fiscal cliff negotiations. the president got his additional revenues. that's behind us. those higher revenues occurred, and now we need to focus on getting spending down. >> here is the leverage question. senator schumer said we didn't just get our revenues. we got some. there has to be more that are part of it. the president will say that. so as you are -- >> are we for more revenue? no, we are not. >> even if it's from tax reform? >> if you keep raising revenues, you're not going to get different tax reform. i know you didn't want a chart, but i'm kind of a chart guy. this dream line shows you the historic taxes. the red line is tax increases. the red line, where spending is going. spending is the problem. revenues aren't the problem. if you keep chasing higher spending with higher revenues as they're calling for, you're going to hurt economic growth. you'll never catch up. you'll shut down the economy and you won't get the budget down. >> when you were campaigning in virginia, a state you wanted to carry but didn't, you said, look, these sequestration cuts, these automatic spending cuts that are put in place because republicans and democrats can't agree, so you have to have this sword that comes down, you said we're not going to let those happen. those will not happen, those automatic spending cuts. well, now we have a new deadline coming up in a couple of months that says there's going to be more automatic spending cuts, the same ones that were in place before. >> that's right. >> are you going to let those happen? >> if mitt romney and i won the election, they would not have happened because we would have gone and worked with democrats and republicans in congress to put the budget on a path to balance and saved defense. i think the sequester is going to happen because that $1.2 trillion in spending cuts, we can't lose those spending cuts. and don't for get one other thing. i wrote legislation and passed it in the house twice to replace those sequesters with cuts in other areas of government. we have shown how to protect defense spending by cutting spending in other areas. in our budget last year, we did take money out of defense. just not nearly as much as the president seems to want to. but we think the sequesters will happen because the democrats have opposed our efforts to replace those cuts with others and offered no alternatives. >> is this worth shutting the government down over? >> no one is talking about shutting the government down. >> well, it's a piece of the leverage that conservatives have. you didn't want to fight over the debt ceiling because you thought you can't do that, you have to pay the government's bills. do you think this fight over priority is worth shutting the government down? >> we're not interested in shutting the government down. what happens on march 1 is spending goes down automatically. march 27 is when the moment you're talking about, the continuing resolution expires. we are more than happy to keep spending at those levels going on into the future while we debate how to balance the budget, grow the economy, create economic opportunity. that's the kind of debate the country deserves. by the way, if we keep going down this path, we will have a debt crisis. it's not an if question. it's a when question. this isn't a republican or democrat thing. it's a math thing. we have to get serious with this problem if we want to save people from the problems that result from a debt crisis. >> let me challenge you from a critic further on the left. a lot of the centrist economists may disagree with you in some areas but agree about the impending debt crisis. some on the left disagree, calls you a deficit scold and worse than that. but the point is you're being alarmist about the deficit and its relationship to how the economy performs and grows. here's what he wrote in his column on friday. it was in fact a good thing that the deficit was allowed to rise as the economy slumped. with private spending plunging as the housing bubble popped, the willingness of the government to keep spending was one of the main reasons we didn't experience a full replay of the great depression. and the balance now between austerity, which he believes you call for, and appropriate investment on the part of the government is still a great tension. >> we can debate that. it's clear that doesn't work. we're not preaching austerity. we are preaching growth and opportunity. what we are saying is if you get our fiscal ship fixed, you preempt austerity. here's what a debt crisis is. it's what they have in europe, which is austerity. you cut the safety net immediately. cut retirement benefits for people already retired. slow down the economy, and young people don't have job. that's the austerity that comes with a debt crisis. if you keep stacking up trillion dollar deficits, it's bringing us to that moment. our goal is to prevent and preempt austerity to get back to growth. >> the question i have is who's really with? you a lot of the business community, natural allies, have kind of come around to the president's way of thinking saying, look, you know, get more revenues if you want them. raise tax rates if you need them. just get something done. silicon valley, a lot of the innovators in the country, big job creators, big idea people, not natural allies of your way of thinking. so that's the question. who's really with you? >> i don't know if i agree with that. they believe we should have tax reform. we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. we are taxing our small businesses at rates higher than corporations. when we tax our job creators more than our foreign competitors tax theirs, they win. we lose. >> he's not really for that. >> he says so, but he has yet to put out a vision or agreement to make good on these promises. we hear the rhetoric but never see the results. and more importantly, businesses know we have to close this deficit. businesses know we can't keep spending money we just don't have. businesses budget. washington hasn't had a budget for four years. the president and his party have been in charge of washington during this time. they have not budgeted for four years. and businesses know that you can't operate an enterprise, let alone the federal government, without budgeting. >> let me have you respond to this other argument about entitlements, about the role of government. and the president really launched it as part of his inaugural address when he said this. >> we recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, any one of us, at any time, may face a job loss or a sudden illness or a home swept away in a terrible storm. the commitments we make to each other through medicare and medicaid and social security, these things do not sap our nation. they strengthen us. they do not make us a nation of takers. they free us to take the risk that make this country great. >> now that line of attack, didn't mention you by name, but certainly mentions you in substance, went back to a number of comments that you made about the makers versus takers. here's one back in september of 2011. >> right now, according to the tax foundation, between 60% and 70% of americans get more benefits from the federal government than they pay to the government. so we have a society of makers versus takers. >> if you keep the context going, my point in making that statistic is it's not as these statistics lead you to believe. we don't want a dependency culture. we want a safety net to get people on their feet. americans want the american dream. the point i make citing that statistic is it's not as it seems. people want the american dream. they want lives of opportunity. they want to reach their potential. and so our concern in this country is with the idea that more and more able-bodied people are becoming dependent upon the government than upon themselves for their livelihoods. we want to make sure we don't continue that trend. and when you take a look at those statistics, it's not as bad as those statistics say. people want lives of upper mobility. people want to chart their own course. they want to reach their potential. and our policies should be geared toward doing that. so no one is suggesting that medicare and social security makes you a taker. these are people like my mom, who worked hard, paid her taxes, and now is collecting the benefit that she paid for. no one is suggesting that people like my mom is a taker. >> but you're citing figures that of course include entitlement reforms like social security. >> when these statistics get cited, it leads you to think that america is gone, that we're becoming too much of a dependent culture. my point has always been, that's not the whole picture. >> here is the criticism against you. and it was written about in the new york magazine blog this week, which goes to whether you want to expand the base of the party. here's what he writes. obama is arguing that misfortune can strike americans in all forms. a sdabt, a storm, illness, or merely outliving our savings. ryan's budget imposes savage cuts to food stamps, children's health insurance, and other mitigations of suffering for the least fortunate. and ryan also voted against relief for victims of hurricane sandy. by ryan's definition, if the government is rebuilding your destroyed home, you're a taker too. >> look, this is a straw man argument. the president said earlier that we had suspicions about medicare and taking care of the elderly and feeding poor children. when he sets up these straw men, to affix views to add ver sears that they don't have, to win the argument by default, it's not an honest debate. we want to have a safety net. a safety net that's there for the vulnerable, poor, for people who cannot help themselves. but we don't want to have a culture in this country that encouraging more dependency that saps and drains people of their ability to make the most of their lives. >> which part of the culture today is doing that? is part of this culture that you even benefited from after your father died. >> absolutely. >> so which part of the safety net culture is sapping america's opportunity right now? >> this is the point we keep making with benefits like food stamps, for example. the benefits that he talks about, the changes we made, all we're saying is you actually have to be eligible for the program to receive it. we need to target it so that people that actually need them. if our reforms on food stamps went through, they would have grown by 260% over the last decade instead of 270%. when you call such reforms savage, that i think does a disservice to the quality of the debate we need to have. what we're trying to achieve is a system where you have that safety net to help people who cannot help themselves, but you have an opportunity of society, education reform, economic growth, so that people can get on their feet and make the most of their lives and reach their potential. and that's what we're worried about losing in this country. >> one more on the budget. then a couple of other things. do you think there's a failure to get to know each other in washington, really get to know each other? you haven't had much contact with the president over the last couple of years. somebody pointed out to me something i thought was smart, which was solving the problem on the budget is not complicated. winning politically and solving the problem, that's hard. and that's what both sides seem to be locked into trying to do. >> well, i don't think that the president thinks we actually have a fiscal crisis. he's been reportedly saying to our leaders that we don't have a spending problem. we have a health care problem. that leads me to conclude he just thinks we ought to have more government-run health care and rationing. i don't think that's going to work. so there are a lot of democrats that are good friends of mine who agree with us on how to do medicare reform. on the need to do entitlement reform, tax reform with lower rates for faster economic growth. the problem is the leaders of that party don't seem to want to come to agreement with this. so my concern is the president may be more focused on political ends, you know, in 2014, versus actually moving to the middle. when you saw his speech, say, at the inauguration, it leads us to conclude that he's not looking to moderate. he's not looking to move to the middle. he is looking to go further to the left, and he wants to fight us every step of the way politically. and i don't think that's good for anybody in this country. >> it's reminiscent, isn't it, of a lot of republican leaders after his first inauguration getting together and trying to make him a one-term president? >> no. i see it as we have big problems we need to fix. we want to be a part of that solution. whether people like it or not or intend it or not, we more or less had the status quo election. we have a divided government. we have to make it work. when we see our country living far beyond its means, when we see our nation destroying our children's future by saddling them with a debt they can't handle, we have to do something about that. when we see families struggling in this economy, we have to do things to grow this economy. and the things that are coming out of washington right now don't do that. and that's why we're offering solutions. that's why we were showing with our budget here's how to grow the economy. here's how you save your kids from a debt-laden future. here's how you save medicare. this is the kind of debate, the honest debate, that we need to have versus impugning people's motives. >> what did you learn from your run for the vice presidency and being mitt romney's running mate? what did you take away as a republican as you look to the future? >> it was a great experience. i feel that i benefited tremendously from that. my family got to see a lot of the country. we got to see countless people who just feel so passionate about their country. the other thing i learn was mitt romney would have been one heck of a great president. he is a very good man. the big regret i have is we didn't win the election and weren't able to put the reforms we think are right for the country in place. and now we're going to have to use this tool of divided government to try and make it work. >> what do you think the party should learn from the loss? >> obviously, we have to expand our appeal. we have to expand our appeal to more people and show how we'll take the country's founding principles and apply them to the problem was the day, solutions to fix our problems. we have to show our ideas are better at fighting poverty, better at solving health care, how our ideas are better at solving problems that people experience in their daily lives. and that's a challenge we have to rise to. and i think we're up for it. >> on a couple of issues in specific areas, immigration is one, what's it going to take to get conservatives to rally around an idea that illegal immigrants who are here now can stay without having to first leave, which is something you propose, and get a pathway to citizenship? do you think that conservatives can rally around that idea and ultimately get reform passed? >> yeah. i think there's a balance between respecting the rule of law and adhering to the reality of the day. and i think marco rubio probably touched on it. i support and agree with the principles he laid out as far as earned legalization. making sure people don't cut in line but fixing the problem. we did reform in '86 and again in '96. it's a system that's broken that needs fixing. and many of us who have been involved in this issue over the years. immigration is a good thing. that's what america is. it's a melting pot. we think this is good. we need to make sure it works. i think there are republicans and democrats, many of us are talking to each other, that can come together with a good solution to make sure that this problem is fixed. once and for all. and i think those rubio principles do a really good job of adhering to the founding principles, respecting the rule of law, and respecting those who came here for a better life. >> and do you see that getting done this year? >> i do. that's one of the areas where i feel that i think the president has a big speech coming up. the question that many of us are asking, republicans and democrats, is he looking to play politics or does he want to solve the problem? we don't know the answer to that yet. but i do know there are a lot of democrats in congress who once and for all want to fix this mess, broken immigration system, and many of us agree with that. hopefully we can actually get this done. >> on gun control legislation, are there any new regulations that you could support? >> well, i think the question of whether or not a criminal is getting a gun is a question we need to look at. that's what the background check issue is all about. and i think we need to look into making sure there aren't big loopholes where a person can illegally purchase a firearm. but i elalso think we need to lk beyond recycling failed policies of the past. you and i are the same age, same age kids, same number of kids. it's our worst nightmare something like this happening. let's go beyond the debate and go deeper. what's our policy on mental illness? what's going on in our culture that produces this kind of thing? we need to have that kind of discussion and debate, and i hope we don't just skip past that and bring out political ideas that recycle failed policies of the past. >> you seem to see a lot of division here. you think the president in some ways is trying to finish off the republican party. so i don't hear you as saying anything about more comprehensive reforms in the way you think is necessary and you blame the president for that and his mindset. >> i decided to not comment between the election and the inauguration because i wanted to see what kind of president we were looking at here, what kind of path and trajectory he was putting his administration on. and all of the statements and all of the comments lead me to believe that he's thinking more of a political conquest than political compromise. and that's my concern. and this is why we're going to have to have a big debate this spring on how to balance the budget. about how to save us from a debt crisis. about how to grow the economy. and i think there are issues, like immigration reform, where there are democrats and republicans who want to come together to fix the problem. the question is will the president frustrate that or facilitate that. and i don't know the answer to that question. >> it was interesting on the day of the inauguration, brian williams and others and i were talking, and we noticed some video during the luncheon, and one of the things that caught our eye was a great moment here. you have your back to us. but there you are with secretary clinton and president clinton. and that's just one of those moments where you say, gosh, what were they talking about? any advice there? >> talking about personal health. we both lost our dads when we were young, and we were talking. i got concussions when i was young, and hillary was telling me about hers. we were just kind of chumming it up. look, if we had a clinton presidency, if we had erskine bowles, i think we would have fixed this fiscal mess by now. that's not the kind of presidency we're dealing with right now. >> and you don't blame conservatives, particularly in the house, for thwarting that effort? >> both parties -- forget about just the recent past. both parties got us in the mess we are in, this fiscal crisis. republicans and democrats. and it will take both parties to solve this problem. that's the kind of leadership we need today. >> how do you think about 2016 and a presidential run? >> i don't. >> you're not thinking about it now? >> i think it's just premature. i've got an important job to do. i represent wisconsin. i'm chairman of the budget committee at the time we have a fiscal crisis. i think i can do my job by focusing on that right now rather than focusing on distant things. >> but you'll take a serious look at it? >> i'll decide later about that. right now i'm focused on this. >> chairman, thank you very much as always. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> coming up here, what did we learn from president obama's inaugural address? plus, the secretary of state hillary clinton exits the stage, and presidevice president biden profile expands. joining me former senator and now incoming president of the heritage foundation, former senator jim demint income. president of the naacp jim jealous. nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell. plus, nbc news special correspondent ted koppel. >> "meet the pre we know why we're here. ♪ to connect our forces to what they need, when they need it. 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where should they push? how do they balance conservative principles with a real desire on the part of the public to see compromise and achievement? >> paul ryan was talking about one of the most important moral issues of our time. the fact that we are stealing from our children and putting so much debt on them that their lives, their opportunities, are going to be greatly diminished. and what he said about balancing our budget or putting our country on at least a path to balance our budget in 10 years is a complete contrast with what president obama is talking about. before we get into all the political labels and the specifics, it's clear the president plans to keep spending and borrowing and putting more debt on our children. so america has a perfect contrast between the directions that they want to go. we know -- >> but we just had an election, senator with two different directions, and america chose. that's what paul ryan said last year. the country will choose what happens in 2013. and they did. so are we past the point of two different visions in choosing? >> i don't think the country has chosen that. in fact, we see almost in the majority of states now where a conservative, bold visionary governors are implementing the ideas that work. and that's what conservatism really is. whether it's cutting taxes or freedom in the workplace or education choice, what want to do is what we need to do for the american people is show them the successes and which ideas work. we can show where president obama's ideas go. we can look in history, at countries that failed. at europe today. we can look at his home state of illinois. the tax and spend and big government approach has always failed. so our job as conservatives is to make sure americans know that. and we need to show it with real people and real faces. >> but a lot of this we have to remind ourselves is about economic growth. what makes the economy grow, what gets people back to work, and what role does washington play in that? >> we know how to get out of tough times. we got out of the great depression by investing in what we wanted to be as a country, by investing in jobs rather than focusing on our fears. you know, i would push back and say that the big issues of this day also include marriage equality. they include comprehensive immigration reform. and right now when you look at joblessness in this country, you know, the country is back to pretty much where it was when this president started. white people in this country are doing a bit better. black folks are doing a full point worse. so with this president having said to us we need to invest in strategies to lift all boats, now that some boats are clearly more stuck, the question is will congress join him in getting those boats unstuck too. >> well, but the question, ted koppel, as well is where the president tries to seek a way forward. he doesn't think much of republicans in terms of their approach or being able to deal with them. but he can also confuse the opposition a little bit if he would take the reins and say, look, we have though o do big sg cuts and here's why. it's helpful for the solvency of the country, even if he has to push back against some democrats. >> look, david, i'm going to defer to some of the others here who spend more time covering domestic policy. i think this president is going to end up facing some of the biggest foreign policy crises that we have had in many years. and i know you want to get to that later. so let me hold my piece there. >> well, look, this can be worked out if you look at the plans, and they seem very abstract when paul ryan and president obama talk about them. they are just saying, let's fix a little bit on the entitlement front, and they're not saying let's start tomorrow cutting. they're saying let's start in five years or 10 years. it is all doable and fixable. and then this gets to the engine of the economy. and if you fix that, if you stabilize the debt in some reasonable way, we're going to have growth. the unemployment rate should come down. and president obama is exactly right. focusing on the people at the lower end here. you fix and help the people at the lower end by getting the economy going again. you're exactly right. and the psychologically for the democrats and republicans, it's so important that there be some consensus. you get paul ryan here with his charts, and it looks like the world is going to end at some point. and you need to get everyone onboard to the idea, no, the world is not going to end. >> andrea, i was on capitol hill this weekend. you get a sense that a lot of the gun legislation is not going to be successful. immigration reform is moving at pace. they are having very constructive conversations, republicans and democrats together. the entitlement piece is going to be hard, whether the president wants to go very far on medicare. he has liberals saying don't do it, don't raise the retirement age. so how do these pieces come together here in the next three, four, five months? >> that is exactly the question. when he even suggested raising that retirement age from 65 to 67, decades from now actually, and not affecting current retirees, the whole liberal base exploded against him. the aarp went to war against him. so he has to decide whether to take that. even the budget negotiators iss, the gang of six, said that was a nonstarter. on immigration, you see these negotiations with lindsey graham and mccain and rubio on the republican side. and durbin and schumer and others on the democratic side. they are really making progress. the president is giving a speech on tuesday with outlines. the question now is, is he going to send legislation up? that is still to be determined. and he just met with the hispanic caucus and with the senators in the last couple of days. the other thing is guns. and despite all of the hints from the white house that they are not backing off of the assault weapon ban, most people i have been talking to in recent days, inside the white house and out, agree that that is really going to be the biggest lift. but if they can get the magazines and the background checks and something on mental health, they think there is something that can be done there. >> senator demint, part of the calculation for republicans is whe where do they push, where do they fight. this is part of the self-examination of the party. bobby jindal spoke out, was outspoken on thursday, talking to republicans. here's part of what he said. >> we've got to stop being the stupid party. i'm serious. it's time for a new republican party that talks like adults. it's time for us to articulate our plans and vision for america in real terms. it's no secret we had a number of republicans that damaged the brand this year with offensive and bizarre comments. we've had enough of that. >> he is arguing about coloraso getting in the way. colin powell talking about the republican party. how do you view that? >> i talked to governor jindal yesterday. we are on the same page. he knows that spending more than we're bringing in is a moral argument that we need to connect with the american people. and not just in numbers. but we need to help people see that what we're doing here in washington, the politicians are the real takers because they are taking the future away. every paycheck is going to be worth less. and the future of our children with the debt on their head means that the opportunities that they could have are going to be diminished. >> that's not quite what he was speaking of there. what he's talking about is how the brand positions itself. >> one of the reasons i left congress is because i don't believe that politicians are going to solve our problems unless the american people force them to. they're going to keep spending and borrowing in washington. they're going to keep implementing policies, as ben just said, that hurt minorities. they are worse off. and we can go to detroit and philadelphia and chicago where these liberal progressive policies have been in place for decades, and you see latinos and african-americans in failing schools, with high unemployment. what we're going to do, and i know what governor jindal is going to do along with a lot of other governors, is show the success stories where the right ideas are implemented. and we're going to show the failures in detroit and philadelphia and l.a. >> ben, comment before we go to break. >> you know, there are places where we can clearly work together. criminal justice reform is one of them. but the real question for the gop is whether they are willing to give up on the gasoline that has been the old dixiecrat rhetoric for the past 40 years. and when he talked about those bizarre and insulting comments, that's what he's talking about. playing to the cheap seats again and again. they need to stop. they need to say, look, we have an old brand, the grand old party, the party of lincoln, the party of people who united this country again and again. let's be that. and let's stop trying to be these dixiecrats. it just doesn't work for anybody. >> senator, do you regret some of the comments about abortion in this last cycle, about rape, about what colin powell thought were failed racist comments from the party? >> well, david, the fact that we are losing over 3,000 unborn children a day is an important issue. but republicans or conservatives should not engage in a debate about exceptions for abortions when the other side will not even agree that we have real people, real human beings. we need to fight the battle where it should be fought. life is important. we know from all of the new technology and improved sonograms that we do have a baby. and it's important that we fight for that. but instead of just offering my opinion on some hypothetical debate about exceptions for abortions, we need to move it back and particularly work with the states that are fighting for just the personhood of the child. if we can start there, i think america will move with us. >> all right. a little different about the question than rhetoric and how to reach voters. but i want to come back and talk about foreign policy. hillary clinton in the hot seat this week talking about benghazi. and the threat that is ahead that she warned about, that as and the threat that is ahead all stations come over toat as mission a for a final go. no go call. this is for real this time. we are on step seven point two one two. we have entered our two minute hold. cabin venting has been inhibited. copy that. sys two, verify and lock. command is locked. flight computer state has entered auto idyll. three, two, one. the falcon 9 has launched. preparing for nose cone separation. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. executor of efficiency. you can spot an amateur from a mile away... while going shoeless and metal-free in seconds. and from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle...and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. now this...will work. 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>> well, there's not a lot of patience for the requirements of understanding here in washington. what secretary clinton said reflected a deep problem, not just in foreign policy but domestic policy, when she said what difference does it make? it's the same type of thing we see on all policies. it's an unwillingness to really bore down and understand the root causes of failures and successes. and that's why i think we see our foreign policy going in a lot of directions. it doesn't seem to be coherent. it sends signals of weakness. we don't understand what north korea really is doing right now. it is not just to provoke us, but it's a product demonstration for iran and other countries that want to see if these things work. we know north korea wants to sell them. so i think there is a perception of american weakness. but our problem here is the failure to really understand what is motivating these other countries and how we can affect -- >> but the conversation hasn't really been about that. at least not that we as the voters see. what we see is people in washington kind of picking on each other, focusing on personalities, who know what when. voters really want to know what's happening out there and what are you going to do. >> ted, that's my point. do we have a real policy approach that is somewhere in between a projection of american power and just leaving the region? >> the answer is yes. i don't think, ben, that it means that we necessarily have a strategy, but we have new tactics. we have moved away from the big unit operations, divisions, tanks, and are moving more in the direction of special operations, cia, drones, civilian contractors, cyber warfare. this is what you're going to see happening. but we're also playing whack-a-mole with al qaeda. and i think one of the greatest mistakes that the president has made is in leaving america with a sense that somehow al qaeda has been dealt with, the war in afghanistan is over, the war in iraq is over. the fact of the matter is we've got major problems, and al qaeda is one of them. >> i want to get to a political note. on "60 minutes" tonight, an interview with the president and hillary clinton. >> the main thing is i just wanted to have a chance to publicly say thank you, because i think hillary will go down as one of the finest secretaries of state we've had. it has been a great collaboration over the last four years. i'm going to miss her. a few years ago, it would have been seen as improbable because we had that very long, hard primary campaign. look, in politics and in democracy, sometimes you win elections, sometimes you lose elections. and i worked very hard, but i lost. and then president obama asked me to be secretary of state. and i said yes. and why did he ask me and why did i say yes? because we both love our country. >> andrea, is he passing the baton? >> you can imagine the joe biden camp and what they said to that. unprecedented in an interview that president obama has never done an interview with anyone other than his wife, and here he is doing it with the secretary of state. i have talked to a lot of democrats who say that if she decides, and she hasn't decided, but if she decides and she is completely positioned to run, she clears the field. there's no one else. not comeau, not joe biden, no one can take her on. because after eight years of president obama, who could come in and as a woman and as a non-obama person originally, be enough of an outsider to challenge a republican. >> this is a real powerful historic mandate. >> yeah. >> but don't wipe joe biden off the slate. he has been a vital part of the obama administration on foreign affairs and on domestic affairs. he's the one who goes and makes the secret deals with mcconnell. >> that's right. >> he is the go-to -- >> bob, i'm saying what democratic leaders are saying. i'm just quoting what they say, that she has -- >> plenty of time for 2016. it's over [ male announcer ] you've climbed a few mountains during your time. and having an investment expert like northern trust by your side makes all the difference. we add precision to your portfolio construction by directly matching your assets and your risk preferences against your own unique life goals. we call it goals driven investing. after all, you don't climb a mountain just to sit at the top. you look around for other mountains to climb. ♪ expertise matters. find it at northern trust. ♪ we've decided to we're all having such a great year in the gulf, put aside our rivalry. 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>> right now, the european union is in distress. what would a failed euro mean for the e.u. or for its largest trading partner, the u.s.? >> the '08/'09 financial panic/crash/great recession put tremendous economic financial pressure on the entire global economy, including europe. >> in the same way in which the collapse of lehman implied global shocks, a dissolve in the situation of the eurozone is going to impact the united states. >> while everyone is telling the germans, "bail these guys out now," the germans are saying, "if we're gonna bail them out, we wanna fix the political crisis." >> at the end of the day, europe and the eurozone face an existential question: can we become the united states of europe? >> in a democracy, agreement is not essential, but participation is. >> never before in our history have we been so interconnected with the rest of the world. >> foreign policy is actually not foreign. >> america has faced great hardship before and each time we have risen to the challenge. >> the ultimate test is to move our society from where it is to where it has never been. >> join us as we explore today's most critical global issues. join us for great decisions. >> great decisions is produced by the foreign policy association, inspiring americans to learn more about the world. sponsorship of great decisions is provided by credit suisse, eni, the hurford foundation, and pricewaterhousecoopers llp. >> coming up next, imperfect union: the eurozone in crisis. (instrumental music) >> why does the european union exist at all? the answer is simple, strength in numbers. >> an historic meeting takes place in rome's city hall. long a dream, the common european market takes its first step forward as representatives... >> i think there was a real desire in the aftermath of the devastation of world war ii to get the european continent back on its feet. realizing that pulling together economically might play to their benefit longer term, an economic union, if you will. >> the theory was that if you got them linked together economically, then they would have enough in common and enough common interests that they wouldn't want to go to war anymore. >> in 1957, that simple concept inspired the formation of a trading block called, the european economic community. >> the idea was that if you brought these countries together using a currency union and the trading links, that eventually their economic cycles would synchronize. >> the idea worked and other european nations wanted in. so in 1993, they formed the european union. two years later, they introduced a common currency known as the "euro" with 17 of the 27 member states eventually adopting the new denomination. >> in the dutch city of maastricht, a treaty was signed that had huge significance for the future of europe. >> they share a currency and they share a central bank, the european central bank in frankfurt that makes the monetary policy for the whole euro area. >> unification made trade among member nations a breeze. as a result, the e.u. became the world's second-largest economy and america's top trading partner. >> real engines to growth in the european union have to do with trade and opening up trade, and that's what the e.u. has done for the past 50 years. >> europe is the biggest economy in the world. the trading relationship between united states and europe is the biggest in the world. >> but even as the e.u. succeeded in bringing economic success to member nations, critics warned of crucial flaws in its complex structure. >> they threw together a whole lot of economies that are very different from each other, gave them a single interest rate policy, but didn't put in place any of the political institutions that would be necessary to help countries that feel the pain of an interest rate policy that's not appropriate to their own economic situation. >> in the united states, you have very different levels of productivity between new york and alabama, but you're within one system of governance. you have not only one currency, but you have one national budget and one fiscal deficit. in europe that was never true. >> in the states, you know that you have your local government, you have your state government, and you have your federal government. you pretty much know the architecture of who governs, who legislates, and who runs the show. europe, it's a little more complicated. you start with the national governments and they have their own constituencies, their own electorates to represent. now add to that a layer of eurozone institutions, so organizations, institutions that were built to deal with europe and the eurozone. one of them is the european commission, which is based in brussels and they are essentially the administrators and the bureaucrats of the european project. but also crucially, in frankfurt, the european central bank, which is the central bank for all 17 eurozone countries and the closest thing that the euro has to a fed, only it doesn't perceive itself as powerful as the fed. >> many people knew there would be a crisis all along at some point, because it was only when you had the crisis that you have the political impetus to actually put in place the political institutions that a single currency needs. (instrumental music) >> in 2009, the e.u. began to buckle under the pressure of the international credit crisis. >> the '08/'09 financial panic/crash/great recession put tremendous economic financial pressure on the entire global economy, including europe. europe suffered a worse economic downturn than the united states, a loss of gdp, employment. unemployment soared into the double digits. >> we started calling what's happening now the eurozone debt crisis, essentially in may, 2010, which is when greece received its first bailout funded by the international monetary fund and eurozone countries. and since then, the crisis has spread throughout the eurozone to several other countries: ireland, then portugal, now spain and cyprus, and reaching italy, uh, and has mutated from a strictly sovereign-debt government crisis to a banking crisis and sort of sectoral crisis. >> the origins of the european debt crisis are multiple. the approximate cause was the fact that many countries recently have had a large increase in budget deficits and there's lots of public debt to levels that are unsustainable. in some countries this was due to bad fiscal behavior, too much spending, too little taxes like in greece, but in other parts of the eurozone, like spain or ireland, the problem was that there was a bubble in real estate and housing. when the bubble burst, the countries went into a recession. when there is a recession your deficit increase, then you have to bail out banks, financial institutions, and the private losses get socialized. it happened in the u.s. and then you have a surge of public debt. >> these bubbles, either in government spending or in the banks or in the property sector, were essentially fueled by what tends to always drive crises in human history, which is hubris and excess. >> the crisis laid bare the fiscal health of e.u. member states and germany was one of the few nations who had been acting responsibly. >> they had a series of reforms in germany that held down wages very substantially relative to productivity and that made german goods cheaper, more competitive on the world markets. they were not doing that in greece and ireland and in portugal, and even in france and italy. >> 10 years ago, 12 years ago, the basket-case country of europe was germany. they went through reforms, they got back on their feet, their export machine was revved up and here they are top of the heap. >> the consequence of that is that germany is now this hyper-competitive economy with its manufacturing sector being helped enormously by what, from a german perspective, is an under-valued euro. of course, that same currency from a greek perspective is an over-valued euro and that's a huge problem. >> over-valued since greece had accumulated a mountain of debt. in 2009 alone, greece borrowed $300 billion euros, more than its entire gdp. >> the biggest borrowers would be greece, italy, spain, ireland, portugal. these are the most troubled, what we call periphery european countries; they're the most indebted. greece is the weak link, but it's an incredibly small economy. you could fit it in, in rhode island, you know? so, and already two-thirds of their debt is on european's balance sheet. >> greece, which has probably the economy that everyone likes to demonize. germans in particular like to think about greece being full of people who basically work about an hour a week, and get a huge pay rise from the government every time they ask for one, and they are terribly union-dominated in a very bad way, and very corrupt, and so forth. >> before the crisis, nations like greece took advantage of cheap rates afforded them by their status as an e.u. member, but they eventually borrowed more than they could pay back. >> you not only had these countries that were continuing to spend well beyond their capacity to pay back, and you had banks that were prepared to lend to them despite the fact that they couldn't pay back. what does that sound like? it sounds like all those american banks that were providing mortgages to people that clearly never had the capacity to buy that house or pay back those loans. >> before 2010, markets just assumed that eurozone countries were pretty much similar in terms of risk. so you saw greece almost borrowing as cheaply, not as cheaply, but almost as cheaply as germany, which is the strongest and biggest european economy. after 2010, the markets started realizing that this was not at all the case and just started charging a lot more to lend to many eurozone countries. that in turn led to countries not being able to refinance their debt. >> in the case of the eurozone, you already have five or six countries, greece, ireland, portugal, now italy and spain that either have lost market access and they need an international bailout, or like italy and spain, are on the verge of needing such a bailout. >> that's when you start to get this phrase thrown around the pigs, uh, economy, the pigs economies, portugal, ireland, italy, greece, and spain. more and more there was this debate about, you know, can those governments avoid default? what would be the implications of a eurozone government defaulting for the other members of the eurozone, and would it be necessary for the rich eurozone countries like germany and france to bail out the poor, deeply indebted ones like greece, ireland, spain and italy? >> funded largely by germany, the e.u. and the i.m.f. moved quickly to dole out 110 billion euros in cheap loans to keep greece's economy afloat. soon after came similar bailouts for portugal, ireland and spain. >> the european central bank has started to help. germany and other members of the core have provided through new institutions bailout money to the country distressed. in some cases, like greece, ireland, and portugal, the help has come not only within europe, but also from the international community, the international monetary fund. >> these countries, greece and portugal and spain and italy and even ireland, uh, which for very different reasons no longer were able to manage their national economies without some form of european intervention. and that's where you have a problem, because unless you get the intervention, unless you get the bailout, you can't fix the problem. >> but the bailouts came with a heavy price. german chancellor angela merkel demanded the recipient nations adopt more fiscally responsible policies. >> it has to be, i think, internal to germany feeling that it has to do this in order to keep the european dream alive. >> in europe, they're actually trying not to waste the crisis, because frankly, the stakes are higher. there's much more urgency, there's less time. and so as a consequence, while everyone is telling the germans, "bail these guys out now," the germans are saying, "if we're gonna bail them out, we want to fix the political crisis." and because a lot of the leaders, the political leaders in these peripheral states don't want to do that because it's painful, this crisis gets worse. >> the endgame here is a more tightly bound european economy where each nation cedes some authority over their policies, but what they get out of that is a much sounder european economy. so they've got a lot of work to do. >> but germany's requirements have proven difficult to meet and riots and political unrest are now the norm in many european capitols. >> the german population could say, "i'm outta here, i don't want to pay for this." they're, they're the strongest economy and they do have to pay for a lot of it. and the greeks, spanish could bail. i mean, we're seeing riots in the streets because unemployment's 25 percent and rising. and you know, if i'm a greek family and you know, i can't pay for my z-pack for my sick kid, i'm gonna be pretty upset. so i'm outta here, i could be outta here, just like argentina did back ten years ago. so things could go badly wrong. >> i've personally experienced the change of mood in my hometown, which is athens. i was born and raised in greece. over the last two and a half years watching what was a warm and welcoming city, for me, turning angry, turning at times extremely violent, with moments feeling like it was a war zone. and that's not just been in athens. >> if you look at southern europe, if you look at greece, there are demonstrations almost every day. if you look at spain, now more recently in italy, also a lot of demonstrations on the street. so unfortunately, i mean, different countries, people in different countries react different ways. and when people demonstrate too much on the streets, certainly it complicates very, very significantly the job of the government to try to sort out the situation. >> we've seen the same scenes in madrid. we've seen the same scenes in lisbon. essentially what you're seeing is just increasing anger because taxpayers know that they will have to foot the bill for this one. and also they feel that they've been continuously, chronically, criminally misrepresented by their governments. a feeling of frustration that i feel is global and citizens across the world can relate to. (instrumental music) >> describing it as "baptism by fire for a whole generation", today the head of the european commission warned that without greater unification, the e.u. would not be able to face the financial crisis. >> as the e.u. struggles to avoid complete collapse, some advocate a stronger union. >> right now, it's becoming increasingly obvious that unless the eurozone moves towards a greater union integration, meaning a fiscal union with common spending, revenues, public debt that is shared, a banking union with a european-wide deposit insurance, an economic union where this recession is stopped and there is economic recovery. >> you need time to create a fiscal union. you need time to create a banking union. you need time to allow the european heads of state to get together and create a roadmap for what kind of regulatory and constitutional changes you will need to get to the point that you actually have greater integration of european economic governance. >> so the eurozone, the major issue at the moment is the so-called banking union and we've heard a lot on how they should be introduced, what are the key points that should be deciding and how it should progress. another major issue is the so-called eurobond, thereby european union countries would issue joint and several liability bonds. now that would require certainly a new institutional framework, which guarantees, for example, it would be now the germans would pay for italy's debt. >> at the end of the day, europe and the eurozone face an existential question: can we become the united states of europe? can we have the more powerful members, like germany or the netherlands, essentially foot the bill, share risk? can we issue debts together? >> but standing in the way of unification is the reality that there are 17 different nations in the eurozone, each concerned about the welfare of its own people. >> there are very strong national political constraints. for example, in finland, which is one of the healthiest economies in the euro area, politicians simply don't understand why they have to pay, for example, for spain or portugal countries, which behave not in a responsible way before the crisis. so even though politicians i think understand, there are so many national interests that it would be very difficult to find a good solution. >> what of the german and austrian and dutch citizen who have always paid their taxes, who live in a law abiding society where the state works and they can depend on it and are now seeing their hard earned income being transferred to what they view as profligate countries? in europe, that kind of animosity coming from the ground level up can actually be extremely toxic and dangerous. what we've seen is a return to a kind of second world war system of stereotypes and cliches and national hatred. whereas the european project was supposed to put that to rest once and for all and bring european peoples together as europeans, rather than as greeks and germans or whatever. ♪ rule, britannia! ♪ britannia rule the waves... >> the eurozone crisis has done so much to undo the european project and perhaps that will be its saddest legacy. >> should these challenges to unification prove too great, what would a collapse of the euro mean? >> in the same way in which the collapse of lehman implied global shocks, a dissolve in the situation in the eurozone is going to impact the united states, china and many other parts of the world in a way that could be very severe and very extreme. >> you could break up in a neatly packaged way, very difficult, or you could break up messily, more likely. if the euro breaks up messily, that again is going to be a tremendous shock to the entire world financial system and we are still the biggest players in the world financial system. so we will not be immune to something like that, if it happens. >> it will continue to have a drag until the uncertainty around the euro has been resolved. we need firm rules for who can be in the euro and who can be out of the euro and what conditions they have to meet to make those transitions. and we need some sort of fiscal architecture to protect the euro against these enormous issuances of unsustainable debt. >> unfortunately, since that feels quite far away from where we're standing right now, we must contemplate the worst case scenario, which would be one country leaving the euro followed by several others. a complete collapse of confidence in the european project and the eurozone project, losing several banks, people on the streets, riots. (singing) (instrumental music) >> the u.s. treasury secretary tim geithner, concerned about the eurozone crisis, sought a meeting with the german finance minister wolfgang schauble on his holiday. in a statement, they said there was a need for global cooperation to resolve debt problems. >> as the european union's greatest ally and trading partner, what can the u.s. do to prevent a break up? >> well the eurozone is of course america's leading trade partner. and as a consequence, if the eurozone has very anemic growth, everyone that we want to export to in europe is going to buy less of our stuff. our ability to have our multi-nationals that have large manufacturing bases in europe, and there are many of them, are going to be producing less. they're going to be less profitable. they'll be laying people off. this is the danger. >> the united states' economy and the european union are extremely closely tied together. they are the two biggest economies in the world. they're almost roughly equivalent in size, about $15 trillion in output for each of them. and together, they make up about half of the whole world economy. >> one of the questions that i asked each of them was, "what could we do in the united states that would help with this crisis?" and every person on the panel said the most important thing we can do in the united states is to get our own fiscal house in order. >> the united states certainly has some accounting to do with respect to a regulatory system that was inadequate. >> the united states has made it clear, as has china and many other countries, that we are not writing checks. there's nobody that supports a marshall plan for europe. there's nobody that supports the americans leading a bailout. what we're doing is providing the europeans with a lot of advice. >> what the united states can do is make very clear that we have supported the cause of european integration for decades and that we see a strong and united europe as a very important ally for us and a very important anchor of stability in the world. and i think we need to be more vocal politically about our investment in the european union, in european integration. and the fact that we are, we're not just neutral bystanders hoping that everything doesn't collapse. >> for now, the eurozone's future remains uncertain. across europe and in washington, many are hoping for the best but bracing for the worst. >> there is hope that as these crises have spread, that there is more pressure on european leaders to come up with a, a grander solution to deal with the problems. just as here in the united states as we look at our challenges, the more we see the impact of those challenges, the more pressure there is to get a resolution. >> this is the hotel california. once you come in, there's no going out. and once everyone recognizes the hotel california, it'll stick together. so, there cannot be any bending on that, you have to be steadfast in that resolve. and make sure that the, that this works out. >> so a best-case scenario, given, given where we're standing right now is that the euro survives as a project, but is fundamentally changed. it's essentially redesigned. it's like euro 2.0. >> as the eurozone economies struggle to right themselves, one thing is clear, minimizing the effects of this crisis on america's own economic recovery will require great decisions. 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militarization of u.s. foreign policy? is africacom a guys to allow the into africa? is it really did get a presence on the continent? the state department of usa la st fiscal year spent between eight or $9 billion in africa. the department of defense spent a little more than $500 million. that is the dollar comparison in terms of what the level of the effort is. overwhelmingly, the u.s. government support in african countries. today category of healthcare, education, and agriculture. security is a very minor part, but an important part, but a very minor part. i think that is probably as it should be. the defense strategic guidance that i referred to in my opening comment tells me that in africa, we are to seek a light footprint and innovative approaches and low costs approaches to achieving the united states security objective. we have one base in africa. we have about 2000 people. it supports not only u.s. africa command, but u.s. central command and the transportation command as well. that is our residence on the continent. -- that is our presence on the continent. there are 100 personne
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inviting the lord into the consequences of the united kingdom to leave the european union? >> i always, i always listen closely to what he says, and i'm a huge fan of his plans for an induction strategy. on issue of europe haven't always agreed. he was a leading proponent of britain joining the single currency and i've always been opposed to the. on issue of the referendum i gently remind my right honorable friend he was in that referendum was very much part of his manifesto of the last election. [shouting] >> in the interest of harmony i think we'll leave that to one side. >> mr. speaker, a constituent of mine with a chronic medical condition tells me that he is just 20 pounds a week to spend on food and clothing after paying his utility bills, and after april after the welfare cuts in april, he will just have to pounds a day. if the prime minister police we're all in it together, with the agreed to review the impact on the very poorest of the welfare cuts so that my constituents sacrifices are in line with his own? >> i will look very close to what the honorable gentleman says and the circumstances. let me just make the point, if you compare 2013 with 2010 in terms of the level of key benefits, it is worth making this point. and unemployed person on jobseeker's allowance is getting 325 pounds more this year than in 2010. a couple jobseeker's allowance, 500 pounds more. a single out of work mother, 420 pounds more to do with the opposition try and do, week after week, is somehow paint a picture that we have unfairly cut welfare is simply not true. >> order. mr. richard fuller. >> thank you, mr. speaker. health inequalities in the country are persistent and damaging and reflate the department of health announced a 5.5% increase in their allocations to local authorities for the public health responsibility, and a 10% increase. does the prime minister agree these funds directed will go a long way to help attacking long-term health inequalities because i think my right honorable friend makes an important point. for many, many years public health budgets were raised in order to to do with issues and problems in the nhs. because we put in place an increase in the in age budget, nhs budget and would also help some and public budgets were able to make sure we tackle some of the real problems, smoking, diabetes, other issues that are going to be enormous pressures on health service in the long run. >> we have heard, the house has heard the prime minister is looking forward to making people from national and international banks the next few days. when will he visit a food bank? >> first of all let me once again praise what food banks do in our country, and let me point out to the honorable member that the use of food banks increased 10 times under the last labour government. >> will be prime minister join me in paying tribute to all the athletes who took part in the british -- held in my constituency? will be prime minister encourage people to register which will help us save lives of? >> i certainly could be to all those who took part in the british transplant games into the many volunteers who made these games such a success. i think gillian did a fantastic job in hosting the games. is quite right to raise this issue. they are a testament to the benefit of transplantation and i would encourage people to do as he says. >> seventy-seven of our young people with the most complex special needs face being without places next year because of government cuts. why should the most vulnerable young people in my constituency pay the price for his economic failures? >> first of all let me make the point to the honorable lady that the recent were having to make cuts is because of the mess left by her government. no one wants have to make the difficult decisions we've had to make in government, but i would argue when it comes to helping the disabled, when it comes helping the most vulnerable, this government has always looked after them. >> europe was not to be saved by any single man. and then correctly when on to predict that england would save your by her example. will my right honorable friend be aware that i believe he is engaged in contradicting pit because his example today standard is passable chance of resting european union for both europe and britain? >> can i thank my honorable friend for what he says. he makes an important point, which is the agenda that britain has. is not an agenda of simply saying this is what britain wants and if we don't get it we will leave. it's an agenda that is good for the whole of the european union. we face a massive competitiveness challenge from the rising countries of the south and east. we have to accept the europe at the moment is a working probably. it's adding to this is cause, adding to regulation. we need to change that. >> order. statement of parliamentary under-secretary of state -- >> here on c-span2 we will be the british house of commons now as they move onto other legislative business. you have been watching prime minister's question time aired live wednesdays at 7 a.m. eastern while parliament is in session. you can see this weeks questions and again sunday night at nine eastern and pacific on c-span. >> for more information go to and click on c-span series were prime minister's questions, plus links to international news media and legislatures around the world but you can also watch recently given going programs deal with other international issues. >> greases opposition party leader spoke at the brookings institution yesterday about his country economic crisis. this is an hour 20 minutes. >> welcome, everyone. welcome to brookings. welcome to go to members of the diplomatic community. ambassador from greece, ambassador from cyprus, and ambassador from malta. and, of course, a special welcome to ambassador alexis tsipras, the u.s. ambassador to hungary. so many of you are here. i know many were here for the inauguration, the first working day of the second term. our first major event here at brookings in the second term. and yesterday president obama's second inaugural address has already called a manifesto for liberalism, bolstered his supporters on a range of issues, and his credits are already complaining he is preaching to the choir, or worse, that he reaffirmed the worst feelings, that he is a socialist. and president obama anticipated that criticism by putting his talk into the context of his include ongoing skepticism of central authority, and calling it a fiction that all societies ill can be served through government alone. and as the u.s. looks around the world today, president obama highlighted a few big challenges, asia, africa, latin america and the middle east. but, frankly, americans are used to trouble in those places. but for the last three years for the first time since the end of the cold war, europe has been a major challenge. and perhaps for the first time since the end of world war ii, western europe is a major challenge. particularly the eurozone. there are many to blame for this, but certainly a spotlight has been shown on greece. greece is undergoing a debt crisis but also a competitiveness crisis, and a legitimacy crisis for taxation, public spending, corruption, criminality and a general distrust of the political syst system. and in the ongoing negotiations of europe, the imf, getting through crisis after crisis after crisis. these have been three very difficult years increase. for many greeks watching the previous prime minister, was quite dramatic and that he is pledging to dismantle the state his father built. and for many in europe it is too little, too late, but forming increase it was too much too soon. unemployment, negative growth and the threat of more job cuts led to no hope. and an outcome this summer, where the socialist party increase was reduced to a tiny minimum, tiny member of governing coalition that's now head by the new democracy party. and second place is the series of coalitions led by our guest today, alexis tsipras. series of, trans was as the coalition of the radical left, and in an american political context this is something entirely new for us. something that americans are trying to understand and understand what it means not just for the future of europe, but for u.s.-european relations and u.s. -- many wonder where our guests and the effect it will have on europe and on the united states. some are suggesting that greece is currently europe's achilles' heel. we will recall the great warrior achilles, a man filled with both pride and rage who was brought down by an arrow to his heel. and that arrow came from paris. men in europe today wonder if it were, from someplace else in northern europe or from greece itself. so we look forward to hearing mr. tsipras' remarks but afterwards my colleague who is a senior fellow at our global economy, and i will sit with him and asking a few questions. and then we will turn to questions over to you, the audience. we will have simultaneous translation. my mother, may she rest in piece, is a greek language teacher. she will be rolling in a great asset to my own good piece on. so without i give you alexis tsipras. [applause] >> please join your piece to number two for the translation. [speaking in native tongue] >> translator: i want to express our opinions, our view on the cause of the crisis, and our vision for the necessary changes that have to take place in greece. so that we can change from becoming guinea pigs of the crisis to the country that will serve as the starting point for new, progressive changes that will lead the worldwide economy to safe harbors. and so it is a special honor for me to be here at brookings. this is a foundation with strong traditions and document conversation with facts. this is a foundation that and cn understand what's at stake, both in greece and in europe today. when i was young i remember those older than me telling me that if america were to catch a cold, greece would be laid up in bed with pneumonia. today, however, i hear that some of your politicians here in america are warning the u.s. government to listen to them, or else face the risk of turning into greece. there's one thing that is clear to me. our countries may be quite different, both in size and infrastructures. we also know that to our saddles and problems in the past that we would like to overcome. however, there are also bonds that are very strong, which in a globalized community can become all the more stronger. because our destruction, so to speak, is your business as well. one of the things that i noticed these past few days that i've been in united states walking the streets, i had visited san francisco and, of course, washington. one of the things that i noticed is that america is a country that does not find itself in a state of depression as greece is. i've not seen any closed jobs. i haven't seen any sad faces. i haven't seen any signs of hopelessness everywhere. america avoided misery after 2008. you likely played a heavy burden -- paid a heavy burden upon the crisis in 2008. our economy continue to have difficulties recovering. your doctor was -- your jobless rate is still very high. people are still worked. millions of people are still having a very difficult time making a daily living. almost all the people continue being angry with all those who are responsible causing so much pain. that you avoided misery. in contrast, greece is going through a very deep misery. i'm not talking about a deep depression and i'm talking about misery. i want to make something clear. it's very clear to us that the greek economy and the greek state apparatus have their own endemic problems. these problems are structural and they have deeper roots. however, they are not responsible for causing the crisis in greece. this crisis is not something that is strictly greek. these problems did not cause the crisis. they did make it worse. allow me to say that the greek people are very hard-working. you know this by looking at the greek americans who have managed to make their lives here in the united states, and make a good life through hard work, managing through their labour's to gain, to master well. they are not lazy people as they were portrayed to be, as they were disparaged over the previous years by their very own politicians. at this moment in greece, even the healthy profitable businesses are going bankrupt. young people who are highly trained with doctoral degrees from american and british universities cannot find work. why is this happening? why is there not an end to this crisis? the basic answer is that the credit system has stopped working. and instead of the government helping, it is undercutting possibilities of growth. our banks cannot lend money nor borrow. at the same time our bankrupt the government is borrowing money from europe and the imf on behalf of the banks, but these profits are going up in smoke and the black holes of the ban banks. our industry and our service sectors is in a rack. and the government is now attacking and going after the already small salaries of those who are still working and trying to cover their debts. this vicious cycle is getting out of hand. government ministers privately admit that they, too, think that their policies are making the crisis worse. adding, however, that have no other options, that these are the policies, have not been chosen by them but have been imposed upon them by the european union. each time that the greek government makes yet another optimistic announcement, the people compare it with the catastrophe that they see around them and lose all faith that the people who are leaving the country or governing know what they are doing. i am worried that many economists and students studying economics or public policy look at our country as a lab of political austerity. if you want to see what sort of pre-cyclical economic policies have destroyed the social web, turning a decisive into -- turning into a deep crisis, all you have to do is visit greece. if you want to see with what way the implementation of the greatest fiscal austerity program that is implemented in peacetime has failed to deal with the credit, with a debt crisis, just come to greece. if you want to see in what way robber barons have managed to stay in power, all you have to do is come to greece. the prevailing viewpoint is that the cycle of recession that i have described to you began because the over borrowing of the greek state during the period that came before the economic crisis of 2008. and this is not untrue. from a political standpoint it doesn't help out efforts to understand the crisis. it's like saying that it's a person is suffering from cancer is in pain. this my will, in fact, be true, but this particular observation cannot help us to understand exactly what caused the cancer, what kind of cancer, this person is suffering from come and what the necessary therapy will be required for treatment your debt, like being, is a symptom of a deeper problem but if you don't believe me, that debt is not the cause of the crisis, just look at the example of ireland, or spain. the levels of the public debt, their levels of public debt in 2008 workload than those of germany. they are state deficits ran a profit in contrast to germany, which was in deficit. and despite all this, ireland and spain found themselves in the same boat with greece. cutting of salaries, lowering consumption, rise in joblessness, immigration, depression. and why? the reason is that our countries are part of a poorly planned out fiscal currency union. a currency union that did two things. they took away the ability of our economies to absorb the shock in the event that we were to face a global oil regional crisis, and they managed to make the effect of the shock be much, much worse. why? because during the good old days our fiscal union led to giant influx of profits from countries experiencing profits the countries that had debt. these influxes caused bubbles, which in turn led to the formation of, lead to the impression of growth and progress. in spain the money that was coming from germany and elsewhere was borrowed from private investors. the price of homes grew. people had to borrow a great deal of money from banks in order to buy homes. afterwards, prices spiked even higher. people felt all the more rich, spend more and, therefore, the spanish economy quickly developed on the back of public debt -- private debt. increase, money from germany and elsewhere were borrowed from the government, which subsequently gave them to private investors to build roads, the olympic facilities, et cetera. at the same time tax evasion and tax cuts for the rich did not allow, did not allow us to have a balanced budget all previous years. and so, therefore, when the markets crash in 2008 both spain and greece were heading on the road towards disaster. in spain, just like in ireland, the housing market crashed, prices still, people ended up with homes that were worth less than their loans. many people went bankrupt. when banks started having problems, the government intervened and took on its debts in this way, both banks and government went bankrupt. increase, the government directly went bankrupt because it was the one that had borrowed to a very high degree after words. the governments that had lent money to the state also went bankrupt. and afterwards investors themselves went bankrupt. very soon if the entire country had gone bankrupt. due to the structure of the euro zone where countries without a central bank behind them needed -- bailout of the banks and where the banks needed to continue lending money to bankrupt states, -- there was a domino effect because of the banks that were untrustworthy and the untrustworthy countries that they were associated with. this was the point in which the european union refused to realistically look at the situation. they decided that it was better to act, that it was just a crisis of public debt, and they did not -- instead of accepting that they had a poorly designed a currency union, they decided to implement austerity packages to ponte economies that were on the brink of bankruptcy. securing their default, in this way they created a recession that was not necessary for us to have. and they insisted in doing. at the cost, at great human co cost. and at a terrible cost for democracy. ladies and gentlemen, understanding here before you today, and i'm very sorry, but i'm going to say but i have to say this, none of these lessons have been taken seriously by europe. another thing that the crisis of 1929 has taught us is that if politicians fail in handling the effects of default and economic recession turns into depression, then history will punish us. and we are now facing the outcomes of the spreading of political ideologies. we now have, we are now facing the phenomenon of fascism. this is taking place in greased today. increase, neo-nazis have managed to knowledge into parliament but to increase their popularity with the public. and in the parliament in my country, we are forced -- from the neo-nazi party that promote anti-semitism and give salutes just like out of hitler. and because i spoke about the period prior to world war ii, the great depression, i think it's important that we compare our central bank, the european central bank and the bank here in washington. the fact that the head of your bank, the fed, mr. ben bernanke, studied the great depression for his dissertation is very important. it might be one of the reasons why the fed has behaved in such a different way than the european central bank. if somebody compares the language why mr. cranky over the past five years -- mr. bernanke by that used by the european bankers by the ecb, you will be very, you will very easily see the difference. the european central bank, our central bank, seems not to be touched at all by the economic crisis that is taking place right underneath our noses. is our central bankers have spent a little bit more of their time studying the great depression, things might have been different in europe today. i want to stand for a moment and talk about the great depression. allow me to remind you of the very wise address by mr. franklin roosevelt. during the time of recession, the worst thing that we have to fear is fear itself. .. >> the fear over any alternative solution. it fear about my -- fear about the left that always operated within the lines of democracy's. fear over me, and i hope i convinced you i'm not as dangerous as some people think i am. but is there really reason for somebody to be afraid of the left in greece today? i heard the person who spoke before me saying that i represent the radical left, this is a term that sometimes sounds funny to many listeners. many of you may not know that the term radical was used by many parties in greece, even former prime minister used the term. radial union of greece. >> translator: how are we really radical? those who engage in scare will tell you that our party will come to power, rip up our agreement with the e.u. and take our country out of the eurozone break all of greece's ties with the culture civilized west and turn greece to a new north korea. my dear friends, this is the worst form of scare. my party doesn't want any of these things. we were always and will continue to be a european party. the fact we believe that europe is lost the road, in that it is imposing inhuman policies on it's very people can be considered antieuropean. of our policies have to match the best interest of the people of europe if we were to be considering ourself proeuropean. and the fact that europe is our common home and we have to protect it from the great depression that is spreading and threatening not only use europeans but the entire world economy we want to stop the splintering of europe. that's why we're against today's austerity policies. that's why we are standing against today's european us a austerity policies. i want to say it plainly, when it comes in to power. in greece wealth have one -- we'll have one and only one goal. to save the country. without allowing the people of greece to perish because a country can be destroyed when the people are destroyed, and so our goal is to save the country and keep the countried in the eurozone. this does not mean that we should accept stupid and inhuman policies that are handed down to us by today's self-destructive leaders of the eurozone. truly, in my opinion, in order for us to remain until the eurozone over the long-term, in order if the dwroans survive, we need a radical change of plan. we need a racial reconsideration and review of our strategy to come cut back the crisis. not just. en on the greek level. the eurozone level. the new strategy will not come until a party like ours gains the power to say enough is enough. not just in our country but in brussels as well. enough of the craziness of austerity. what beare telling you plainly and clearly is that this agreement, this famous memorandum of understanding a memorandum of austerity, this agreement is broken every day by reality i.t. what we want to renegotiate is the actual terms of lending. but the memorandum of austerity is already cut for us. it has been rejected by life itself. and allow me to stress this fact that it's not the imf's job to forecast what is going to happen . >> translator: what is going to happen if there's a political change that takes place. we can continue without the kind of observations and comments that are undercutting the stability of the economy. nevertheless, i want to hail the warning to send out brussels, frankfurt, berlin, that the agreement has been already been overpassed by reality. that is impossible for it to be self-ly implemented even if they convince every greek man, woman, and child and wake up and send the entire day upholding it to a t. you see, this is an agreement that is contrary to the rules of the economy. and for this reason, the implementation to the insistence on implementing the agreement of humidity and so seated us radical policy have nothing do with the head of the eurozone. and if i'm not telling you it's about reneging on our agreements with the eurozone, what then does the title "radical left" refer to? it means that we are ready for radical reforms in the government to create a steady environment of justice, redistribution of wealthy and investment. it means we're going continue insisting that the eurozone needs new foundations. it means that we are not going accept a european, the second coming of european herbert ov haunting the people of europe. it means that we're going pose every effort to explain the european crisis through the table of the cricket of the south, spend all the money that was raised by the ants of the north. it means we will continue exraining -- explaining that the crisis facing the euro happened because the crickets in germany and greece had a party prior to 2008, profiting at the sake of the hard working ants in germany and in greece. and when the great recession came, the crickets of germany and greece demanded they cover their losses by taking the wealth of the ants of germany and greece. it means we're going demand a new deal for europe. a european new deal that is going to set the productive abilities of the european confidence in motion to come back poverty and hopelessness -- cut back poverty and hopelessness. last june -- [inaudible] spiked from 4% to 27%. we did not place first. many of you have made -- perhaps heard the propaganda that a dangerously inexperienced party. today i stand here before you ready to answer any of your questions. while at the same time, probably declaring that yes, we are in fact, inexperienced. we are inexperienced in forming shady deals and robber barners. unexperienced in covering up standoff and payoff like the infamous seaman scandal. yes, we are inexperienced. we've never signed any them memorandum that run contrary to the logic of macroeconomics. yes, our thoughts are steady, and so are our hands. above all, they are clean. the last thing i'll tell you, but not my final word, is that my message to this the audience here at brockings is that our party wants to establish a mutually beneficial dialogue with well-meaning progressive intelligent yule from your side of the atlantic ocean. i want to tell you that the people in greece, even the people from the radical left, see you as fellow travelers in multifaceted but very important undertaking to reestablish wealth and growth and hope on both sides of the atlantic. the rest of the people have made great strides over the past few decades are looking at us europeans and americans withing a any. we must not let them down just like we must not let down our people. we have to prove to them that humanitarian has become wiser from the disasters it faced in the past. it has become wiser from all that it suffered in the past. all that we have -- have become lessons to us. we are not going go down the destructive roads of the past. thank you. [applause] [inaudible conversations] a wide range and quite stimulating set of remarks. i appreciate very much your explaining what it means to be a radical party. to follow on that a little bit too to try to understand it a bit better. because if many americans particularly greek americans who follow greece politics closely were familiar of the -- the one that george lead for awhile. and again in the u.s. context socialist is something that is out of the question. it has a certain set about the role of government. to be to the left of that when you're radical, the deaf definition of radical is to break from it. what is it from the traditional greek left that the radical left breaks from? >> >> translator: i usually answer this question by saying that every country makes its own wine, very vary in the quality and taste. greece is a country that the uniquenesses of having two large parties in the political world. what we call the democratic party and the conservative party in years past, this was the difference between the royalists and -- during the national resistance, which was a great moment in greek history, the democratic side fought on the side of freedom and identified itself with the national liberation front. after the civil war, as you know. history is usually written by the victors. it's a continuation. historical analysis say that the democratic party in our country always had many different constituent seis. and following the "the dictatorship," the group was won over. and many say that he copied slogans from the radical left. today following the unfortunate choices of george and the tragic past path taken by our country, this political area is now being represented by citizens, a party that does not abandon the traditions, the values, an all the beliefs from the left; however, it needs to get to the parties from the democratic side and wants to express a younger generation and the social strata that are the middle class, the poor class that are being disparaged by the economic crisis. or on the fringes of society, and unfortunately, it's a large group of the population. from this standpoint, i might tell you that yes, it's true. we understand the word radical to mean breaking roots with the political establishment in greece. i can't understand why nor that the countries can have an ebbing itble tax system but we can't have one in greece. i can't understand why we can't have an effective state. we can't provide opportunities to young people. to utilize their abilities and knowledge in research and sciences. in order to help our country. yes, we want to break ties with a lot of things. with a lot of established and entrenched rational. what we want to accomplish but what we sometimes do in an unorthodox sway. the situation we're facing in our country after the five conservative years of austerity and destructive policy is unorthodox. >> followup question i want to say is unorthodox and also each country has it's own form of politics and just like each country has the foreign -- politics in the street was something invested in greece thousand of years ago but still happens in greece today. and a core part of greece's economy and most strategy for growth in greece involves getting the tourist industry to become more competitive. summer after summer greece looks like it might turn around, strikes seem to slow it down. it's not just for tourists worried about airlines being canceled because of air traffic control or not being able to gate taxi but the scenes on the street. looking ahead, are you going to continue with the orthodox policy of greece and calling strikes and allowing them to continue to put a tamped on -- what 0 summer tourism is like in greece. are you going to think about that differently now that you are so close to the highest ranking greek parties? >> translator: nobody should feel happy the fact they have a need to demand and go on strike and losing their ability make their wages through work instead of going on strike. focus on the strike that the effect on the economy. that's only one side of coin. we need to look at what are the things that lead large groups from greek society? social forces to follow these behaviors. people need to fight because the policies that are being used the last few years are a questioning. i believe to believe the greek people have shown great maturity over the past three years in the attack against them that were implemented in the form of policies, that have destroyed what we know as middle class, policies that have destroyed things that were gained over decades. i think that strikes were the easiest most effective means for the every everyday greek to state his anger and frustrations and opposition. perhaps the most democratic means, no one wants to see our country in chaos. however, with need to look at the causes that lead to these behaviors from the citizens. i recently had a discussion with a shop owner in central athens, i asked them, what do you think now that the strikes and protests have stopped in greece over the last six months. he said i like it. i asked him, if your sales increased? he said no, quite the contrary. they have gotten less. >> why? strikes and protest have lowered. he said yes, the everyday greek has gotten poorer and he can't buy things for me this means that our greatest moment is not the behavior of the resistance of the greatest larger part of society, it's the policy being implemented against the people. you also spoke about tourism. i have to tell you that greece is very far behind in terms of national strategy and tourism. there are other coon -- conditions we should be starch charging tickets to enter. we are a beautiful country and we have the blessing of having the arch of pal done, and the sun and the sea, very beautiful climate. what we need is a strategic planning so that greece can utilize its advantages. not opportunistically. not for programs that aren't going give back to local economies, but only benefit who build these all inclusive tourist units. you know, the guys the one that put the bracelet on the hand doesn't matter if you're in greece or nearby turkey. what is important you in a hotel with a pool. no. we need to invest in tourist programs that are going to help the everyday tourist industry and that will bring in tourists, teach them about the positive things greece has to offer. greek think, and greek ideal and provide greek economy with an influx of liquidity. >> thank you very much. right now you are leading in the polls and you are coming to the top of your polls in your country, so if you could very well be the next prime minister of greece. some -- if it were to happen, you might denounce abandon the program. you said it may not necessarily be the case. and the effect you're going call yourself for a new european deal. it takes two to tang go in the way the effectivenesses of the euro strategy is going to spend a lot and whether you're going find sympathetic in berlin or brussels. if it's not successful -- if you're not going to find sympathetic ears in other european countries for this new deal, are you still going stay in the eurozone to stay in greece and in the european union. in any cases under the best possible circumstances, the greek economy is going to face higher interest rate, a stronger euro exchange rate, the -- fiscal impact rating that greece has signed up to. it's very demanding economic environment how do you expect the greek economy to grow? and how you would prioritize reforms? >> translator: very critical question. there's two aspects to it. let me -- allow me to say that the first aspect is we are not asking for berlin's -- [inaudible] of course, we seek out partners and alys over the world. we see that the berlin's following is not only disasterrous for greeces but places in european economy want uncertainty and larger global economy. it may be a policy that is germany's benefit. it's a policy that places the global economy at risk. that's why we're here. because i believe that we can find receptive ears and allies in our effort to not only save greece, but to overt disaster for global economy and europe. we are psychology prepared far fight. for a battle, but a you know, in life and in politics, there's no such thing as, you know, tea and crumb pets. there are interests that are con -- conflicting each other. we know our -- we know what our strong points and weak points are. we know what greece's strong and weak points. greece is one of the 17 countries in the eurozone. if greece was not in the eurozone, i have no doubt nobody would greece a second thought. they would allow the country to just go on its way. just like many countries from the east were allowed to slip and fall. greece is now a to call point of the entire world interest. with a is the reason? i mean, the debt is only 3% of the european debt, and greece's gdp is small in relation to europe's. it's only 2.5%. it's one of the 17 countries -- when of the 17 links that make up the chain called eurozone. you know? if one of these links breaks, it won't only be bad for the link. it will bad for the entire chain. we know this very well, and our allies and our friends in germany know this as well. the european union and the euro cannot move forward without greece. the day after a country like greece will leave the euro, the next country that will seek to leave the eurozone would be our friends and allies germany. we know this very well and they know it as well. and so it be moves us to find a mutually acceptable solutions to the benefit of europe and the european ideas. and that's why we're proposing a european solution to the european debt problem that is very similar to the solution given to germany itself at the end of world war ii in 1953, during the london conference, a series of countries, including greece, decided to allow germany the opportunity to write off 60% of the public debt through growth and moratorium on payment and this is an opportunity that must be given not only to greece but the european countries that have a debt problem so that the cubs can -- countries can rediscover growth, get back on their feet again. now, the second aspect to your very important question has to deal with how this magical word known as "growth "will become a reality. we have to be specific here. we just can't talk without facts. we have to define what it means to have growth for the few. in other words what we have in greece during the '90s and growth for everybody. the vision that we have. growth that will allow for a social profit. yes, greece needs social reforms. one of the biggest problems is bureaucracy. and perhaps it is even more important than the need for cheap labor, that is supposedly blocking competition and we also need get rid of these robber barons. i'll say it simply, when it comes to investment that will bring jobs to greece, there's a closed circle of international contractors that are in can hoots with the government and governing the country over the last twenty years. and therefore, we believe there needs to be social justice. at the same time, we need see what specific sectors like tourism, which i mentioned earlier, but also renewable energies, greece has this capable due to the geographic call division. we can also look at quality agricultural products. it's another capability that greece has. we can look at energy on the whole. today greece is an energy hump. the inroads of the energy and roads of the 12st century run through greece today pane research, innovation, utilizing the country's scientific dynamic and potential. there's so many children that are heading out to other countries today. greece can return to the road of growth if it can overcome its endemic. weaknesses and with the help of all of those who not want to take advantage of grows but truly want to help it and stablize itself in europe. >> thank you very much. just a quick followup question, if you allow me. the national agenda is that you are in -- [inaudible] in washington last month you were in brazil. and emerging economy which has been growing quite faster together with other emerging economies especially in egypt and and indonesia. and these emerging economies have been also growing so fast -- [inaudible] a number of markets reforms. which can greece learn from the emerging economies? >> translator: let me begin by telling you, that the greek example has many differences compared to countries like brazil and other developing countries. however, out of all of these -- choose a few. you know, in brazil, there's over 20 million people that are leaving, of course, over ten years ago there were 45 million that lived in these. and so the government managed to get twenty -- half of them out. we in europe after the plan and the place after the war managed to overcome these problems and forming social states, which is unfortunately destroyed today due to austerity policies. and so the conclusion that we can draw is that from these countries is that the policies of the austerity cannot help any country overcome the crisis under any terms. the only way to help is by helping demand, helping justly redistribute wealth can one overcome endemic problems and achieve major steps forward like brazil did in recent years. during my visit to brazil, my meeting with the president and foreign president, remember the following, there are worries over the danger of the european recession being exported to other emerging countries. their worry that the european recession will even affect countries not just to go down the road of austerity. and i think that we need to pay attention to this. we have a common interest to stand up against a shortsighted vision that once saw quite -- europe divided in two. we have a common interest in advance the growth, stability, and social -- [inaudible] within the context knob can isolate a sickness to one particular country. in a global context, the illness of recession can effect even a country like the -- economy like the united that is taken tremendous steps to create a policy that has been aggressively promoting demands to the public. that's what i remember from my trip there. >> we have time for a few questions from the audience. start with peter here. in the second row. [inaudible conversations] >> while spert getting the microphone. we want to give special thanks from the translater today who game on short notice. his translater was stuck in frankfurt germany in a snowstorm. we're going to go a little bit slower since the trance-- trancelay -- the european economics. i would like to ask you the question with respect present government and recent past governments in greece, do you differ in any areas in foreign policy with respect particularly with respect to former yugoslavia republican of mass done ya, and turkey, and care to comment about people in greece who are encouraging closer relations with israel some because they have fallen out with turkey? but i'd like to get some idea who how you view current foreign policy in greece. >> translator: i could tell you that -- is that a country doesn't have continue newty in the foreign policy. we going to come not to do a 180 and turn everything around, but able to give a multidimensional and active tone to our foreign policy. during my meeting with the u.s. ambassador, earlier this week, he told me what does it mean? what is multiidimensional and active foreign policy mean? greece is a country in europe but it's not like the other european countries. we're not lucky enough to be bordered by sweden. our borders are a hot bed. a hot area in the met mediterranean basin inspect is an area that is historically has been a region where there have been attempts to assert one's claims and make attempts associated with the special geostrategic position. some of the arab spring, we have instability in the area. i told you before, it's an energy hub. we are going help the efforts to make greece a region of stability, cooperation, and we want peace and cooperation with our neighbors first and foremost. but this will depend on a mutual acceptance of the role of international law. we have differences. and we believe that these have differences of -- [inaudible] we have open wounds like the cypress issue. which we believe needs to be solved for just by the help of the international community along the lines of the president. which unfortunately haven't panned out. our former relation with former using yugoslavia needs to be relations of collaboration and cooperation. have nothing to fear from a small neighboring country to our north. our difference over the name issue is a difference that needs to be solved when the context ever agreeable solution. a solution that is acceptable of geographic qualifier. this is an opinion that the party has had back during the package was submitted in the early '90s. this was an opinion that he did not share what-foreign minister and what worries us in our relations with them is not so much the name, but the nationalism that is being implemented. we believe that nationalism is the greatest faux to peaceful coexistence among the countries. we're very uneasy when we see nationalistic parties place first in the neighboring country, and start withdrawing iridescent thoughts and policies that were in the past. in relations to israel, we believe that our economy along the lines of multiidimensional and act of foreign policy needs to develop collaboration with israel along the lines of mutual interests. we are in favor of cultural cooperation, commercial cooperation, the ability of exchanging knowledge and know-how. we are going -- where we have some reservations as in military cooperation. it's because we consider -- we believe that our country should not run the risk of gaining new enemies. our country needs friends not enemies in order to promote stability in the region, and so i can tell you that greece must develop the traditionally close ties with countries in the arab world as well. it needs to serve as the bridge between the western world and europe with countries in the arab world. and so the multidimensional act of foreign policy means despite the fact that the greece is a european country, at the same time it needs to develop bounds of froip and collaboration with a series of countries that are not in the european union. otherwise greece will be a country that follows strctly follows. -- strictly follows. the e.u. strategy and the most important countries in the european union. and so greece will not be able to serve as a bridge that has -- that would be able to make a greater contribution to the european union and to the western world. >> thank you. [speaking in foreign language] >> translator: that you are trying to build a profile of a responsible european party while at the same time trying to build up a rhetoric of councilling the memorandum, but if the memorandum is -- if there are alternatives to the memorandum, why have the previous greek prime ministers not tried to change this? and what guarantees to the greek people have that you are not going to follow the policies that initially oppose to the memorandum and supports it? thank you. >> translator: the memorandum is in fact, a one-way street but it's a one-way street to disaster. when the one-way street you follow leads to the cliff, the only thing you can do is turn the other way. and look see what alternative roots you have follow -- not to continue and head off the cliff. we honestly believe that the memorandum and the austerity policies are what threatens europe today. and our goal is, yes, we truly want to -- what is that we would be decrying? somebody that is already decried and condemned by life itself. you don't decry can divers. they decay by themselves. the memorandum has been revised twice up until today. and the reason for this is not that it was not implemented properly but because it fact was implemented and carried out. and so we're going proceed with its' what is going to come next is going to be somebody that knob wants to talk about publiclily. everybody knows what is coming. a new haircut that will follow after the german elections that will make the greek debt viable and the question is, why should the greek people suffer? and should the global community live with the fear that the crisis will spread to the entire world just so that mrs. merkel can proceed with elections in germany without telling her voters that we have in fact failed. that the memorandum has failed. all of the annalists in the imf point to the fact that the new haircut is necessary. there are attempts to cover it up until we get to next september, and so in the final analysis, what is most important for us is not the political imagination that are in place in germany, but so that we can save whatever is left to save in greece and stop the tragedy that is being experienced by the greek people. no. in regards to the last part of your question, i know there's a problem of credibility in the greek political world, but, you know, it's not nothing through for us. in greece we have become used to the fact that the -- one thing prior to the election a and one thing after. who promise one thing before they get elected and another thing once they come to power. as you see, we only say things we believe and we're going to try to implement. we're not saying anything that is crazy, we're not saying anything that is too wordy. in many instances we feel like scientists from the middle ages who were trying to tell everybody that reinvolves around the sun and yet we are threatened with excommunications because they were talking sense. we're talking sense. we are being heading off a cliff. we're not going to be like gal lay owe and say that the earth doesn't reinvolve around the sun. >> i'm going ask a follow yes. one thing in the united states are sympathetic to the idea that austerity by itself isn't going create growth certainly that was president obama and many democrats and some republicans view of our own economy. the question they have for greece is will each round of loans lead to the right kind of investments and the right kinds of restructuring end of licensing and end of other things that constrain the greek economy and many consider the last communist economy in europe? and so i think what when they see the rise of it and hear a radical left party. the question is not just how the end of austerity will bring growth, but how competitiveness will come to the greek economy. either inside or outside the eurozone, the greek economy has to become more competitive. >> translator: i am completely opposed to the view that greece was the last soviet-typed european or last comes nist economy in the europe. greece is a country from the 1990s onwards has proceeded to many programs. if you can compare greece with other european countries, you'll see that a large part and strategic part public sector has now come to to the hands of the of private owners. this is a reason, or one of the reasons that all of the grandiose plans for privatization plans is what the initial title was never panned out. because there's not a lot of things left that they can privatetize today. it's a myth. it's a myth for the soviet type economy. of course, greece has some weaknesses in terms of the structure. especially in the way it bilged the public sector. it's not that the greek public sector is too large, but that it's built the wrong way. it was built -- it was built on governments assigning their crony and other people in to positions to win over votes. and so we need to proceed with structurial reforms. in many instance copying models that effective in other european countries, but the solution is not to implement in greece what they did in chile and destroyed it. it's not a program of privatization of every business that might be profit generating. our program precisely because we understand the need for what economists call fdi, foreign direct investment, direct investments from foreign countries we want to follow a model that is successfully implemented scandinavian countries in norway, where the public sector participates in partnership with private funds or through the international grievance bilateral international grievance that will have two points for greece nap will allow greece to create jobs and that will respect the market and respect the environment. the second point, is to secure what we call social reciprocity. i believe that we can proceed with these kinds of investmentss and they can work. on the other hand i believe that the investment that we in greece call eluded, the only investment is to generate a quick profit will not be successful and contribute to the restarting of the greek economy. >> right here. yes. right here. >> thank you, bill. >> you're in washington, d.c. at the time when the capitol is focused on several foreign policies and national security crisis in greece's immediate future. there's a syrian civil war and the refugee crisis in turkey, there's the growing threat of iranian nuclear ambition with the nuclear capacity aiming toward europe, and of course the emergence of the al qaeda and islamist in libya and algeria. the united states and greece have been nato allies for sixty years. greece's defense expenditures will likely drastically reduced because of the crisis you've been describing here. how do you see them contributing to the international security in the years ahead? thank you. >>if i understand you correctly how greece can contribute to europe. for a stability for -- for most stability. greece is a country that finds itself or that borders countries that are in a state of flux. it is a country that the european union and nato from our perspective is that greece needs to be bridge of friendship and stability in the area. of course, greece cannot face and solve a series of issues all alone. as you mentioned earlier, which have other causes, the irrespective to greece and that harm stability not only in the region but the on worldwide scale. greece could help and contribute within the framework of the organizations to which it belongs. in order for -- in order to believe the crisis in the areas, a major issue that is of concern to us in recent times what is going to happen in -- enabling there's a danger of a change of government, change of rule in syria, which some people may find quite -- may cause people to breathe a sigh of relief. syria didn't have a democratic government. it could have been worse. and end up with millions of refugees heading west, and in fact, religious refugees will be persecuted because of their beliefs. millions of christians may be fleeing syria in order survive. perhaps the first country they come across on the way west will be greece. and you can appreciate how a country facing such a large scale of economic and social destruction and that is already experiencing an intense immigration problem with hundred of thousands of immigrants coming in wanting to head west but the european union is not accepting them and greece becoming a holding center for them. you realize that greece cannot handle this issue by itself without the close support, cooperation, coordinated collaboration of the international organizations to which it belongs. and the united states can play a crucial role here. perhaps this is just one aspect a very small aspect of the problems that you mentioned. however, i believe that we live in an age that is changing very quickly where everything is in influx and in order for greece to play the role that it need to play in the international community needs to be able to stand on its own two feet. the drama that it is facing the past three years, not allow it to do so, and here is yet another reason to convince us to realize that something needs to change. >> unfortunately we're at the end of our time inspect has b
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[shouting] >> give me those. >> bill: a new move to shame americans who are overweight. they say the shaming is health-driven. but is it really? >> cannon ball. >> caution, you where to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly, thanks for watching us tonight. barack obama and hillary clinton friends forever. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. disappointing interview on 60 minutes last night. i didn't learn very much. in fact, i didn't learn anything. the theme seemed to be the world is a dangerous and complicated place. >> we also live in a dangerous world. and, you know, the people i'm proud to serve and work with in our diplomatic and development personnel ranks, they know it's a dangerous and risky world. >> it is a dangerous world and that's part of the reason why we have to continue to get better. >> we live not only in a dangerous but an incredibly complicated world right now with many different forces at work. >> bill: summing up, we live in a world that is incredibly complicated and dangerous. good to know. now, i respect "60 minutes" and steve kroft the interviewer. i don't know why he didn't ask hard questions. if you know, please tell me. you don't have to be disrespectful. all you have to say is, hey, mr. president, why did yourselves, who is sitting right next to you, not go on the sunday shows to explain what happened in benghazi libya? why did you send the u.n. ambassador to do that when susan rice obviously didn't know anything about it? that's respectful question. is it not? >> here is another one. mrs. clinton, when did you learn about the assassination of libyan ambassador christopher stephens and why didn't you hold a press conference when the intelligence community told you it was a terrorist attack? not a complicated question. is it? just those two questions could have enlightened the american public about the libyan disaster. but you know what? i don't think steve kroft even cares about libya. and most other national media don't care either. so the bottom line is we the people are not going to be told what happened over there. president and secretary clinton are not going to it answer any questions about it. are not going to be forth coming. and we can't make them. it's partially our fault because we the people don't much care either. if we did care, it would have been a big campaign issue. but it wasn't. mitt romney wouldn't even concentrate on it during the foreign policy debate. the truth is the assassination of the ambassador and three other americans by terrorists in libya has not engaged in the american people. president hillary clinton know that they also know that the national media adores them. and that's a fact. that's the memo. now for the top story tonight, there is no question 60 mince interviews would a big win for president obama and secretary clinton. they got great pr out of it. joining us from washington is senior political analyst brit hume. yesterday i you told chris wallace that you think hillary clinton should not be described as that great secretary of state. why? >> well, first of all, it's no, not easy to be a great secretary of state. foreign policy is a province really of the president. the secretary of state is the person who is his emissary and he is expected to direct the diplomats to carry it out. so that's point one. point 2 is, that she has worked very hard. she has traveled all over the place. set some record, some 112 countries. the list of achievements that can be attributed to her is not long and is not major. i mean, how well is the reset with russia worked out which she was very much involved in starting? how are things between arabs and israelis? closer to peace than before? how about iran? north carolina? their nuclear weapons programs. have they been retarded, held back, halted? no, i don't think so. so you look around for a clinton doctrine, has she articulated as kind of a foreign policy intellectual, a new way of thinking, a comprehensive doctrine for foreign policy or doctrine for any particular reason? i would say not. what about major treaties? has she engaged in negotiations that led to the signing of major treaties or any major treaty? the answer to all of those questions appears to be no. these are the kind of things that might put you in the category of a great secretary of state. i'm not saying she hasn't tried hard. she has certainly worked hard. she has behaved with dignity and certain grace. no big blunders blurting out the wrongening in the wrong place. she does her homework but great? i don't think great. >> bill: you left out the arab spring which is developing into a debacle. syria another debacle. why didn't steve croft ask those questions secretary of state and president clinton right there could have done a laundry list of hey, look at this, look at that afghanistan not really going our way now but he didn't ask any of that. >>, he didn't be and i have been trying to put myself in his position, i have done some interviews with presidents over the years. i remember particularly doing one with presidents bush 41 and 43 together. and there was a novelty factor about seeing them there together like that which led me to focus to some extent on their relationship and what role the first president bush had played as an advisor to his son and so forth. there was novelty to this interview. unusual. kroft remarked upon that the whole interview seemed devoted to their relationship. guess what? they have, according to them, a great relationship. >> bill: why is that news worthy? >> i'm not saying it is. i'm saying it's one thing to devote part of an interview to that. it's another to kind of basically turn the whole interview to one or two questions. >> bill: both of us know croft. croft is good, right? he he is good. do you think is he good or -- >> -- i think, no i think steve kroft. i has always admired steve kroft. i will say this if you look back through the history of the interviews he has landed with barack obama. >> he has never been tough on obama. >> never been tough on obama. >> bill: we called the obama people and they still take our calls and they said we didn't put any restrictions on kroft. he could have asked anything. we said he had 30 minutes. he could have asked anything. we didn't tell him don't talk about libya or the arab spring. could have talked about anything. i don't know why. maybe i will run it to steve some place in manhattan and ask him. it was a soft interview. we didn't really learn anything other than the world is a complingted and dangerous place. did you know that before, human? did you know the war was a complicated and dangerous place? >> yeah. i kind of thought that. >> so we knew all of that. we learned it again which might have been instructive. we got nothing out of that and then, you had hillary clinton standing there. believe me. i think greta has got him. maybe greta -- i don't know. >> brit: greta has her. she is in a tough situation. she only has 12 minutes. >> bill: give me 12 minutes with her hume. i will take 12 minutes with the secretary. do you know what i'm talking about? we have colin powell here tomorrow night. wait until you see, this hume. >> i look forward to it. >> bill: it's a matter of budgeting your time. as your mom told you you have to budget. you can't be from it terring it away with questions like oh, are you guys mad of each other or what? >> who cares? [ laughter ] hume, do you want to take the last word? or you have had enough of me. >> i would say it's always a little difficult to do an interview with the president in that this sense courtesy that other officials including former secretaries of state for example but even. >> bill: i will get new a moment. >> even with all of that it was a pretty soft interview no way around it. he he is in good company. there have been a the love interviews with this president. >> bill: why is the american press so infatuated with barack obama and hillary clinton? we will try to find that out. later big immigration debated will republicans spearhead reform to try to get on the right side of hispanic voters. we're coming right back. >> bill: joining us from washington sally quinn. editor of "the washington post" on faith section. judith miller fox news analyst. i understand you just talked to steve kroft, correct? >> i did. >> bill: he said? >> he said the only constraint on that interview, there were no conditions, even though the white house approached him, the only limitation was one of time he said he knew he only had 30 minutes. he could concentrate either on relationship between former rivals and now partners and now admirers on each other or he could concentrate on foreign policy. she had just testified on the hill. spent hours testifying. he didn't think he was going to be able to advance that story so he chose to concentrate on the relationship. >> bill: do you think that was wise decision in hindsight after looking at the interview. >> i'm not interested in their relationship. >> did you know the world was a dangerous place. >> i kind of suspected it was. >> bill: how about you? did you know how dangerous and complicated the world is? >> well, that's not what i came away with. i came away with the question why would he want to do this? and why would he want to do it with hillary? and i think probably part of the reason is that the worst kept secret in washington is that hillary clinton and the state department does not make policy. tom donilin, the national security advisor and his team make the policy. and that hillary literally for four years has gone out around the world, being the face of the united states and representing the president, but it has been. >> bill: pr person you are saying? >> yes, yes. it's been a very frustrating role for her because she is mart and she has a lot of good ideas. >> bill: she was a good soldier and this was the way reto reward her? >> i think that's one reason. i think partly because they wanted to reward her for doing. this partly it was a thank you to bill clinton who really worked hard for the president. >> ms. quinn, that is good inside stuff, and that may well be the president's motivation for him doing it. but steve kroft could have zeroed in on hillary clinton and said what brit hume just said or what i have been saying about benghazi, libya and saying, you know, hey. >> you are not going to learn anything. >> >> bill: believe me, you don't have to learn if you ask the right question and they dodge the question, all right, and the congress people didn't ask the right questions. very simple as i said in talking points memo, ms. quinn, why didn't you go on the sunday shows? what was preventing you from doing that you her in charge, is he your guy. why weren't you out there? come on, i'm a simple man, you know that better than anyone, simple question, answer it. [ laughter ] am i right or wrong here? what? >> i figure very complicated and dangerous man. >> okay. >> very dangerous. >> i'm sure hillary would agree with that i'm complicated and dangerous as well. if you ask the question and she doesn't answer it. you got your answer. she is not going to engage. >> but she did -- >> bill: let's let judy. >> so far so many of the republicans, bill, have been grandstanding. >> bill: they are a bunch of pinheads, we know that but kroft has his big forum for 30 minutes. >> he he just didn't think with the two of them there and the two of them getting to speak that he was going to be able to get an answer out of it. >> bill: are you kidding me? you tried. wouldn't you have tried? you have been a journalist for, what, decades, right? >> i would have tried but so has he. he had to make a judgment call about what his audience wanted to hear. >> all right. i bet you most americans really wanted substance rather than -- rather than the jimmy kimmel show. do you know what i'm talking about, sally? do you know who jimmie is are you guys still mad? hey, hey. come on. we have got a dead ambassador over there. we don't know what the hell happened. >> i totally agree with judy. i mean, and i think steve kroft did exact will the right thing. i thought it was 30 minutes of fascinating television to watch the two of of them together who we know there has been so much tension. >> bill: go on dancing with the stars then. you know? >> hey, bill. >> this is important stuff. >> bill, it's been reported so many times that obamas have never invited the clintons to the white house. and i tried to check this out. and i got wawld by the state department and the white house. so, what does that mean about their friendship? they talk about being warm and close and friendly and all of that. >> go to washington. i know you -- no one cares. the folks don't care. judith, last word, go. >> but, bill, you also said the american people don't care about benghazi. >> not enough. if they cared, we would be getting some answers. >> bill: romney had a big chance too and he didn't take it. >> absolutely. >> bill: all right, ladies, very fascinating. directly ahead will the republicans supreme court immigration reform that will be favorable to illegal aliens? chubby americans. some people actually want to shame them. have a controversial report on that upcoming. straight talk. look at the last election. we are losing dramatically the hispanic vote, which we think should be ours for a variety of reasons. and we have got to understand that. >> joining us now from washington, mary katharine ham and juan williams. both fox news analyst. juan, i know you want immigration reform. >> i do. what about the 37% of immigrant families and for illegal immigrants the number is 47%. that are some kind of means tested welfare? should that be part of the legislation? because what i'm getting at here is i understand the political strategy. i think everybody does. g.o.p. needs to get more hispanic votes. but if you legalize everybody that's here, and they get more on the welfare entitlement train. which they are now. i don't know if that's good for the nation juan. >> you know, look, i agree with you about welfare and fraud. i mean, seems to me we have an issue with fraud of any kind. we need to eliminate it let me just say i think you are framing this question completely wrong, bill. i think that in fact, immigrants generate economic activity. they hype g.d.p. he hype consumer spending. immigrants create jobs i think like 18% of small american business owners are immigrant. when you get to about 16% of the population is immigrant. about a third of our edge fleers, of our scientists our doctors. >> bill: that's all correct. immigrants drive achievement in america and always have. i don't think any sane people disagree with that you are overlooking this enormous and it is enormous. 47% of illegal immigrants receive means tested taxed one out oof two. >> they are tough eligibility requirements. >> one out of two, juan. that's the stat. >> let me just say, in addition to which, immigrants pay taxes and oftentimes are not eligible. >> bill: juan, it's one out of two. you see what you are adding here? all right. mary katharine, how do you see it? >> well, i think you could hard that in this case if those immigrants who are illegal and on welfare got the became legal or had some sort of legal status that perhaps they would be paid higher wages and that was a problem that would maybe work on itself. as far as the political situation goes here. i don't think this is a magic pill for republicans and i don't think a lot of them are fooling themselves into thinking that i think it is a platform from which you could have this discussion. as far as obama manhattanning to pass it i'm a little curious about that for four years he didn't raise a finger on this. in 2007 he actually helped tornado tore torpedo that -- >> doesn't have to run again. 66% of americans, two thirds, all right? support a pathway to citizenship. >> yes. >> 66%. 17% say send the illegals back home. 13% want to aguest worker program for them. so any president. any sitting president. particularly a liberal guy is going to say all right, i'm going to get on this train and i'm going to drive the train and then john mccain is saying -- >> -- john mccain is no liberal. >> bill: no, but he is doing it for political reasons, juan. i don't know if he is doing it for the good much the country. >> wait a minute. hold on. stop this train. don't forget that this was blocked under president bush, president bush a republican. >> president obama voted for a the poison pill. >> just a second. it was blocked by the far right. >> and the far left and unions and barack obama. >> absolutely demonized every immigrant as some kind of threat to america. >> the attack came from both flanks. and the attack also come from both flanks again. >> bill: let me be the source of light here instead of heat for once. it's a different time then, juan. we had very big border security problems then. and now the border security is a lot better. so the debate in the story can progress. i think we need immigration reform. but i do think that they have to deal with the welfare situation. because if you are going to add another 6 million people, and, believe me, when welfare gets -- when welfare, when immigration reform gets passed, that means the people in the other countries are going to be able to come here. you have a flood of new immigrants into the united states. not just the 12 million that are here, but probably another 12 to 15 that will join them. you have got to deal with this problem. i don't think either party will do it but that's where i'm coming from. >> i think your conservative friends are going to make sure that, in fact, people who overstay their visas, which is is about 40% of the illegal population right now, that that stops. they are going to have really tough exit requirements to make sure those people leave. >> i hope so. >> get 12 million more. go ahead. >> i think the fact that rubio and jeff flake and some and mccain are at the top of this and sort of pushing it forward, in fact, before the president is, with a fairly detailed set of principles is a sign that perhaps you can get parts of the right on board. you do have to worry about parts of the left defecting including labor unions who voted against in 2007. but, let me say there is. >> bill: i have got to go here. [talking at the same time] >> there is reason for concern. >> bill: you guys can continue on your own. all right. we will watch the commercial and then there is is plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. karl rove will weigh in on the deal and the "60 minutes" interview tonight. adam carolla on shaming overweight people and carolla's experience on "dancing with the stars." there he is whoa. i hope you stay tuned for those reports. >> bill: liberal man, forced behind the global warming movement. well, mr. turner has a son. 49-year-old teddy turner who is running for congress in south carolina. >> a graduate of the sit del. husband and father of three, today turner is an economics teacher in charleston. turner will fight for more freedom and less government. so our families will have a secure tomorrow. conservative teddy turner for congress. >> bill: what! conservative teddy turner? he joins us now from charleston. are you kidding me? how did you get to be a conservative with such a liberal father? >> my dad asks me that all the time, bill, i tell you four years of military college at the sit del and two years in the soviet union, if that doesn't make you a conservative nothing will. and watching a little bit of fox nothing will, either. when you were raised your father ted turner, he wasn't as liberal as he is now, i understand. correct? >> no, my dad was pretty tough. he did 8 years of military school. he was in the coast guard. we had -- there was no sleeping in on the weekends. we did white glove inspections. dad was tough. he made us work hard. learn the value of a dollar, all the things that our dads should be doing today. >> >> bill: did he discuss politics with you when you were growing up? >> oh, absolutely. our dinner conversations were pretty incredible. i mean, he was involved with all indz of things. and he never -- we didn't get much into the baseball and little league and that and i could've stuff. we were always talking about pretty heavy issues. >> was he then a liberal man? was he -- you know, did he support the liberal side when you were a kid? >> no. he didn't. he mid -- met my mother at a young republican's convention. he was very -- he was a small business guy and before he became a big business guy. but he was very conservative. this change in life has been later on, mainly started within environmentalism. >> now you talk to him, i would assume, you are running for congress. we he vote for you if he lived in your south carolina district? would he vote for you because you are billing yourself as a conservative small government guy, we vote for you? >> well, i'm not billing myself as conservative. i'm extremely conservative. but i think he would. i spent a lot of time with him in the last couple of weeks and talking about issues. everything we discussed he agreed with me. we are not that far and it wasn't because he was agrees talking i'm his son-in-law. he is agreeing because it's common sense. is he liberal in certain issues. but really he wants a better world like most of us. but, we don't agree on a lot of politics. >> all right. so, you guys are, when you talk, man-to-man, you don't have a big fischer. but i'm sure he voted for barack obama. you are not going to vote for barack obama. now, the global warming is his big deal, the environmental stuff. dodo you believe in global warming? do you think it's been caused by carbons and we are the responsibility for this? >> well, when he drives the prius to the challenger, you know, you have got to question a little bit. but, you know, what i believe in is clean air and clean water and a future for our kids. i don't believe that my ford f-250 is causing global warming. i might get a lot of flack for that but, you know, we can't tax ourselves by going in with things like the deoat that protocol and that kind of stuff. so no, i'm not a believer but i want to make sure that we're still doing the right thing going forward. i just don't like scaring kids and telling them we are cook pg ourself. >> you want clean water and clean air but you are not buying into the fact that the human population has depleted the ozone and that's why it's getting warmer. you said something very interesting there you said your father drives the prius to the challenger. which is a private jet. do you want to expound on that a little bit? >> well, you know, his take is, he owns a lot of trees so his carbon footprint is pretty minimal. >> bill: that sounds like a rationalization to me. [ laughter ] >> well, it may be that it's like catholic indulgences are well in mitigation. we can say a lot of the things. when it comes right down to it, we need to have clean air and clean water but we can't restrict our business because that's the only way we are going to get out of this deficit mess. >> bill: all right. your father helping you finance your campaign? >> well, is he has written me te $2,500 check like a lot of people have and i think that's all i'm going to get. >> bill: very interesting story and we appreciate you coming on tonight. when we come right back, karl rove on immigration and 60 mince interview with president obama and secretary clinton. rove is next. >> bill: thanks for staying with us. i'm bill o'reilly in the impact segment tonight. as we discussed at the top of the program, immigration reform coming up quickly. will republicans support it? and the 60 minutes interview last night with the president and the secretary of state joining us from austin, texas, fox news analyst karl rove. let's take immigration first. what is your advice to republicans on that? >> well, i think marco rubio laid out an excellent set of principles that looks like many of them, most of them have been embodied in this bipartisan 8-member senate panel republicans ought to give it a we clear strong look as you saw from your interview with marco unionio recently it emphasizes strong border security. a guest worker program and a fair but tough resolution of the issue of the people here already illegally. >> bill: generally speaking, i had no beef with senator rubio's plan and i hope they get something together. they are aren't as i addressed with juan williams and mary katharine ham. really coming to gripsz with one of the severe problems. you are going to have a lot of new americans here. you are going to have 12 million here and they are going to bring in another 12 to 15. we are talking 20 to 25 million. basically invested in this country. half of the illegal aliens now as i said, receiving means entitlement. how are they going to deal with this? >> well, first of all, we're not bringing in 12 and then bringing in another 12. as marco explained to you and as the panel apparently has endorsed today, the concept is if you are here illegally you can surface, can you get a card that allows you to stay in the country and work. but if you want citizenship, you have to go to the back of the line, which means that you won't get your green card for. >> bill: won't stop people from coming here to visit their mom and dad and all of that? >> that's right. that's right. but, the other part of it is you cannot get citizenship for between 12 to 15 years and then and only then can you use this principle of family reunification to try to bring people in. you will notice, also, rubio talked about and the panel today talked about mitigating that issue by putting greater emphasis on allowing people to come here because they have skills, not just because of family. the devil is in the details. that's right. they have to address the welfare thing somehow. >> that was the other interesting thing. rubio talked about and it looks like tentatively this panel has embraced the idea if a if you are one of the people here ill ely and you surface, you can continue to work but you do not get access to government benefits like obama care. >> bill: that would be interesting. >> how many benefits are denied you? because if you say okay we will allow your kid to get a free lunch if you are poor but we are not going to let you go on welfare or this, or this or this or that i think it might expand the amount of people support immigration reform and the magnet of drawing people here for the benefits. >> bill: crux of the matter with liberals saying look how mean they are to the poor and hispanic. look how mean mean mean mean. you know that's going to happen. bobby jindal governor of louisiana. roll the tape. >> we have got to stop being the stupid party. i'm serious. it's time for a new republican party that talks like adults. time for us to articulate our plans and visions for america in real terms. it's no secret we had a number of republicans that damaged the brains this year with offensive and bizarre comments. i'm here to say we have had enough of that. >> all right, we have got to stop being the stupid party and you say? >> i think he is right. he was talking about todd aiken of missouri and richard murdock of indiana and their terrible comments on abortion. i think he is right. this formulation actually has been offered before by daniel patrick moynahan who wrote a famous essay in the 1970s talking about the democratic party being the stupid party and the republican party gaining asen desi. jindal understands that and paul ryan and marco rubio and mitch daniels and scott walker all of whom have been emphasizing the same theme in recent weeks. they are on target. the republican party can't be in mindless opposition to barack obama. it has to offer a visitation future that is attractive and compelling to americans to associate with. >> bill: that means i think what you are saying is have to come to the center a little bit more. not on the far right. >> no, what -- look, it needs to be smart. which means it doesn't need to go out and say stupid things like todd akin did. throwing away a senate seat that we should have otherwise h look, it says explain what you are for. and be for something. we are a growth and opportunity party. we believe in limited government. and cutting the deficit and restraining spending because we know that that thereby increases the opportunity to spread prosperity more broadly and for everybody who wants to work hard and set a dream and set a course to achieve their dream. we need to talk about what it is that we want to do for america, not simply what we want to stop president obama from doing. >> bill: you watched the 60 mince thing last night? >> yes. i read -- i saw the tape of it and then i read carefully the transcript. and i mean, talk about powder puff journalism. that was it. >> what would you have done had you been steve kroft? well, i would have had some tough questions. or i would have -- look, most of this was just sort of, you know, do you like each other? how long is that endorsement going to last? at least he should have picked up on some of the things that both secretary clinton and president obama said that would have been interesting. for example, president obama said at one point when he he was puffing up about his leadership he said when it comes to egypt, had it not been for the leadership we showed, you might have seen a different outcome there. well, steve kroft should have said well, mr. president, what we got because of your leadership is a government led by the muslim brotherhood. is what your leadership -- is that the best outcome that we could expect there? but instead he let comment like that go by. maybe the irony was lost on him. kroft can be if he wants to be a tough interrogator was on, you know, high school, you know, puff journalism last night. >> bill: i don't know if it was high school. kroft is a professional but he clearly made a decision and so did the 60 mince brass which i think is the best in the business. they made a decision to do a soft, kind of dating game kind of thing rather than. >> look, they didn't need to be a mike wallace doing that the late mike wallace. >> i couldn't imagine chris wallace doing it. this was a very interesting moment. he didn't make the most of it. steve kroft didn't. president obama and secretary clinton made the most of it, which was to sort of congratulate each other and look happy. that's all they needed to do and that's all they had to do. >> i want you to watch the interview that i do with collin powell because it's all about the republican party. it's about you, your guys. that's tomorrow. and then we will have you back and you can discuss that interview. okay? >> you bet. >> bill: all right, mr. rove. on deck mr. carolla and chubby americans. some feel we should scorn them. carolla moments away. >> bill: back of the book segment tonight. rolling with carolla. lots to talk about. bring in our pal adam from los angeles. carolla, a guy named daniel callahan a bioeth tis wants to put social pressure on chubby americans there is the doctor. he wants to shame them so they will be healthier. you buying it? you say, what? >> >> i say good. that's all we have. that's all we have ever had is as a society. there is not enough counselors or dietitians or cops. we have to shame. i would like to expand the shaming to welfare moms and deadbeat dads and people who think it's a good idea to fly and flip flops. i want shaming. it keeps society in order. >> bill: but, let's take it one by one. i think deadbeat dads absolutely. that -- their pictures should be put in the paper, all right? all right? mothers who who are irresponsible maybe a little bit different. but i get your point. but an american who is overweight could have a health issue, all right? there is a lot of heredity involved with that. all of that. and it's a personal choice basically to look the way you want. expects exercising, pardon the fun, freedom not to exercise or whatever it may be. should they be scorned for that? >> well, listen, i think they are going to get beat up by society no matter what. i mean, prom season is not great when you're fat. and dating is tough. and even job interviews. i mean, they definitely, society gets its pound of flesh out of these people, in this case it's pound of blubber. so life is not good. eventually when there is more of them than there are of us. they will literally crush us. this way, if you think about it. >> bill: no. i'm not buying it carolla. they are not going to crush us. >> all right. they are going to take over othe world with their enormity. >> bill: twilight zone episode where the people owho don't look so good are running the show and the pretty people. >> all right. >> bill: i got it. super bowl, are you part of this? are you part of the super bowl mania thing? >> i love football. i always played football. as a matter of fact, when i played pop warner football, they would line everybody up on defense. hold the ball out. and yell don't go until you see the ball move. and then they would yell hut and if one guy went forward. we all ran a lap because of higgins staller because he wasn't watching the ball and he was shamed and he did not do it again. >> bill: so finally. >> that shame working in football. >> bill: revenge on a kid named higg enthat youthaller. waiting for this 40 years. >> i like football. i don't like the super bowl parties because people who don't like football show up, block the tv set and they ask stupid questions like which team is the purple team and all i want to say to you people is i don't go to your tony's party and screw it up for you like which one is ms. saigon? i'm confused. all right now very few people know this. i didn't know it. but that carolla did appear on dancing with stars the television program. recently lindsay lohan lindsay lohan turned down a half million bucks to be on ha show but you did it 7.50? didn't they pay you 8 bucks an hour? what did you get. >> i got whatever minimum wag is in california. i think it was 7.50 at the time. plus meals. >> bill: take a look at him on the program. >> i used to do a little amateur boxing and then i used to teach boxing back in the day. i kind of have the foot work part down. but a little bit of rhythm. it's my essence. it's my muse. it's my therapy and it's christmas, santa and the easter bunny all rolled up into one i am dance. >> bill: is it true that your partner renounced her american citizenship right after that? is that true? >> yes. she moved with what's his name out of france. >> bill: right. >> the other fat guy. dave purdue. go shamed garrard. >> bill: was that fun "dancing with the stars"? was that worthwhile for you? >> no. no. this is for the five kids that watch this show. it wasn't fun. it was scary. and it was a great experience and the only reason i did it is because it was scary. i have a policy which is if it's scary, it must be a growth experience unless it involves a bear in which case i'm not going to do it. if it sounds scary, do it. >> i have never seen zorro on a motorcycle but you really made him come alive. factor tip of the day. how to interview president obama should you run into him? 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said mr. obama had done an inappropriate end-run around the senate. but white house spokesman jay carney took issue with the ruling. >> the decision is novel and unprecedented. it contradicts 150 years of practice by democratic and republican administrations. so we respectfully but strongly disagree with the rulings. accord together congressional research service something like 280 plus intrasession recess appointments by, again, democratting and republican administrations dating back to 1867. >> sreenivasan: if the decision stands, it could invalidate hundreds of decisions made by the labor board. moreover, the body would not have enough members to issue decisions, effectively shutting it down. the ruling also could spell trouble for richard cordray, the head of the consumer financial protection board. he was not part of this legal case, but he was appointed in the same manner on the same day. for more on all this, we turn to steven greenhouse of "the new york times." nice to be here. >> steven, just back us up a little bit. what are some of these decisions, why are 9 decisions from the national labor relations board so congressional? >> employers and unions see the national labor relations board as extremely important because there are often fights between the two about whether the union broke the law during a strike, whether the employer broke the law during a unionization, andnow the labor board has really gotten very involved in setting rules for employer os on social media, when can employers tell their employees what they can do in social media and what they can't. and basically the effect of today's ruling would nullify a lot of watching what nlb has done over the past year if the supreme court upholds it. >> so what were the problems that the judges in the district court have? >> the judges-- the judges said that the recess, the recess appoint oments by president obama last january were illegal. the president said that the senate was actually out for a break. and that he was allowed to make these recess appointments. the senate said, the republicans in the senate said it was not a real break. that they were continuing to have pro forma sessions and they maintained it was illegal for the president to make these appointments. and today the three judge panel ruled that the president recess appointments during intrasessions were illegal. the court really said today that the president essentially can only make recess appointments once every two years between each congressional session. between each congressional session, you know, after a two year congressional session ends and right before the next one begins, so this would greatly weaken a president's recess appointment powers. >> as jim carney was mentioning earlier in that sound bite, he said this has been practiced and precedent for a long time. so is the likelihood that this particular rule cog have an effect on all sorts of presidential appointments going forward? >> absolutely. some people pointed out that many federal judges are sitting on the bench now thanks to their reaes-- recess appointments. and as a result of today's ruling of the three judge panel of the federal appeals court and the district of columbia, those judges appointments could be nullified. and there are prisoners sitting if prison nowadays thinking wait t this is good news. maybe my conviction, maybe my sentencing can be overturned because the judge who ordered my sentence was a recess appointment. >> so considering the magnitude of all this, the supreme court likely to take it up? >> i think so, hari. it's not absolutely clear but because this decision has so much import and because it's the same question being heard now by several different circuit courts and thus there is a likelihood, a good chance there might be a conflict between the circuits, i think it points strongly to the supreme court hearing this case some day. and meanwhile, the labor board might really be in limbo for a year or two or three until the supreme court issues a decision. >> so let's talk for a second about richard corddry. he was confirmed in the same manner on the same day as these members in the national labor relations board is there a likelihood that he will be affected by this as well? >> yes and no, it's unclear. so yesterday president obama renominated mr. corddry for full term. and when de that two years ago, originally congress basically signaled the republicans in the senate signaled we are not going to confirm mr. corddry, so the president did this recess appointment. now it's unclear whether the republicans are going to allow its confirmation of corddry to go through. and you know, obama might have to really try to twist the arms of senate republicans. but that's not very easy. and he probably would not be able to do another recess appoint oment of corddry because according to this decision, it's not the end of session for congress. >> so could this tie the administration down for a long time? >> i think the effect of this decision is that it might really tie the hands of this president and perhaps a future president. president to make recess appointments except that one window between congresses. and it really greatly increases the po wore of the senate to-- in ways block, you know, block appointments to tell president that an unless you deliver up an appointee, a nominee of someone that we can digest that we really like, someone that is much more moderate, we're not going to let this go through. >> we should mention that this isn't happening in a vacuum there are layers and lay ares of politics involved in all this as well, right? >> there is tons of politics. the obama administration has been saying that we really need this power of recess appointments because over the past 2, 3, 4, 5, years, congress has gotten, the republicans in congress have gotten far more partisan. they've gotten much, much more aggressive about preventing confirmation of nlrb appointees and of judicial appointees. and i'm sure that many in the obama administration are really tremendously up set by this decision because it really might seriously block their ability to name the people that they feel under the constitution they have the right to nominate. >> all right, steven greenhouse of the "new york times," thanks so much for joining us. >> nice to be here. >> brown: coming up-- location reports from two newshour correspondents: margaret warner in jerusalem, and ray suarez in davos, switzerland. plus, the advances against islamist rebels in mali; zero waste in san francisco; and shields and brooks. but first, the other news of the day. here's kwame holman. >> holman: president obama chose his long-time foreign policy advisor denis mcdonough to be the new white house chief of staff. mr. obama made the announcement this afternoon. he lauded mcdonough, and told him, "i know you'll always give it to me straight, as only a friend can." mcdonough will take over from jack lew, who's been nominated to replace timothy geithner as the next treasury secretary. today was geithner's last day, after four years on the job. in a final interview, he said he's hopeful the economy will strengthen this year. the defense department has begun eliminating the jobs of all 46,000 temporary civilian employees at the pentagon. the announcement today said it's a response to mandatory, across- the-board spending cuts. they're scheduled to take effect march 1, unless congress comes up with alternative cuts. without changes, hundreds of thousands of full-time civilian employees will face furloughs and reduced paychecks by april. the government of syria called today for thousands of refugees to come home, including those opposed to the regime. nearly 600,000 syrians have fled the civil war and gone to neighboring countries. there's been a new surge this week. we have a report narrated by alex thomson of independent television news. >> the children say they double-checked their figures. they counted around 10,000 children in the overcrowded camps in jordan in just the past 24 hours, with the parents or gardens they recognized around 20,000 people in all. with the winter cold and conditions like this, in the camps, king abdullah of jordan took the might of these people to the top today, to the world economic summit in davous. >> jordan is hosting almost 300,000. the weakest ref gos are struggling now just to survive this year's harsh winter. more international support is desperately needed. and it's only going to get worse. >> back there syria it is indeed getting worse. these people filmed getting out and leaving in the past 24 hours. it's partly fuel shortage, heating oil in particular. but it's also this too, intense fighting during the past two weeks in the once densely populated areas stretching from southern damascus suburbs down to the border with jordan itself. it's not just jordan, of course. syrian refugees now strung out across lebanon, iraq, northern syria and here over the frontier in turkey. where toys were hand out today and the little boys seemed pleased enough with them. these girls, however, appeared to have the weary stare of young people who have known already far too much of what life can bring. >> holman: the u.s. plans to send $10 million more in humanitarian aid to help feed refugees inside syria. the focus will be around aleppo in the north. there were clashes in egypt today as anti-government rallies marked the second anniversary of the revolution. at least four people were shot and killed in the city of suez. the scene in cairo's tahrir square was reminiscent of the massive crowds who helped topple president hosni mubarak. street battles with police broke out in cairo and elsewhere, and well more than 300 people were hurt. the protesters say the revolution was hijacked by islamists, who now control the government. thousands of anti-abortion protesters rallied in washington today against "roe versus wade." the supreme court decision that legalized abortion was handed down 40 years ago this week. this year's rally and march came in frigid temperatures. protesters carried signs and chanted slogans on the steps of the supreme court. abortion rights demonstrators staged a counter-demonstration there. republican senator saxby chambliss of georgia will not run for a third term in 2014. in a statement today, chambliss said, "this is about frustration." he said he's unhappy with president obama's direction and tired of partisan gridlock. chambliss had angered tea party forces when he supported tax increases as part of a plan to tame the federal deficit. wall street closed the week with another rally. the dow jones industrial average gained 70 points to close near 13,896. the nasdaq rose 19 points to close at 3,149. the s&p 500 finished above 1,500 for the first time since 2007. for the week, the dow gained nearly 2%; the nasdaq rose half a percent. those are some of the day's major stories. now, back to jeff. >> brown: we turn to israel, where prime minister benjamin netanyahu is working to build his coalition after tuesday's election. the contest saw a surprisingly strong showing from a centrist party led by a former television personality. margaret warner is in jerusalem. i spoke with her a short time ago. >> so margaret, a few days after the election what kind of government seems to be taking shape? >> jeff, i'm told that bebenetanyahu is trying to put together a very broad coalition, not relying just on the trawl religious and ultra conservative and settler movement crowd that is in his current government. so he is working with that surprise second place finisher to try to put together a very big coalition as well. a lot more votes than they really need. would if the people they're talking about join the government really span a range of viewpoints on everything from how to improve economic conditions for the middle class to say restarting peace talks with the principles. but it will take-- it could take a month to actually firm up. >> tell us a little bit about that surprise second place finisher because it really was a surprise, did get a lot of attention in the leadup. >> warner: it really was, he is 49 years-year-old. it was only a year ago this month that he announced he was leaving journalism to enter politics yet he came up with 19 seats. that was only one less than netanyahu and his likud party gotten tirely on their own. so he is the hot new property here. he already was a celebrity. he is the son of a holocaust survivor who ended up in the government here. but he had gone really quite his own direction. he's been a television talk show host and a very popular columnist. he has written thrillers and children's books and a play am and he has even act in a movie. so really it was, as i said, just a year ago that he said he was leaving it all for politics. and his last column was something called where is the money? and that is where he let out, set up for his theo which is the burden to society has to be shared more equally. >> so margaret when you think about the implications of his coming government for any movement in the israeli-palestinian struggle or relations with the u.s. i just wonder what you have seen in israel in terms of division. how divided does it feel politically and culturally? >> well, it was just within israeli society, jeff, there is much greater division culturally than i even notice. i have been here for about six years. in the old divide used to be over how much and how to deal with the era of the palestinians, in particular and whether to give land for peace. the new divide is very cultural and it is between the ultraorthodox religious and also the pro settler nationalist movement which aren't the same. but the ultraorthodox are growing as a portion of the population because they have more children. and what they call the seculars even though they are observant jews. but they are, they separate their politics from their religion. and you really see ton the streetsment i men in many neighborhoods, and certainly in tel aviv people dress just as they do in the states. but there are a lot of neighborhoods and especially up here in jerusalem you see the orthodox everywhere and men in their black hats and curls behind their ears and the women whose hair really is as covered as women in many muslim countries. and so there is a lot of resentment, especially among secular israelis about the special privileges that the orthodox and the settler movement get. everything from greater public spending, to the fact that the ultraorthodox with their young people say they are studying the torah are exempted from compulsory national military service that every other young israeli, male or female has to serve. and that is really you know, the most striking divide that i see here in israel. >> brown: so margaret, give us a flavor for what is coming next week. what are you reporting on. >> warner: jeff, we came here to look at the three big issues that newly elected president obama and prime minister netanyahu have to address. and that's the iranian nuclear program, the conflict in syria, and the israeli-palestinian issue. and so even as we reported on the elections, we've been looking at those three issues. of course we talked to a lot of israelis. but yesterday for instance we went up to the golan heights which is, you know, a land that the israelis captured from the syrians. and that is really where the two countries meet up. you can see how very close the conflict is you can hear the boom of firing from the other side. and looked at the defensive measures that israeli is taking to try to prevent any spillover. we also this week went into gaza, just two months after the israeli-gaza conflict there, for example, to assess how people are feeling and in particular about how they feel about the prospects for israeli-palestinian peace. so we hope to have some textured stories next week. >> brown: all right. we will look for those next week. margaret warner in jerusalem, thanks some of. >> warner: thank you, jeff. >> brown: margaret and the rest of our reporting team are filing stories on our web site. you can read their insights and analysis on our "world" page. >> sreenivasan: and to another newshour correspondent overseas- - ray suarez in davos, switzerland. he's moderating panels at the world economic forum, where there's been talk about the future of the european union. we spoke earlier this evening. >> ray, let's start with the news this week. the u.k. is making some noises about backing away in some parts from the european union. what is the reaction there? where are all these european leaders are. >> well, here in davous the week was heavily dominated by news of the health of the joint european currency, the euro. and whether, in fact, the european union as it has come to be known would remain with one of its largest members. prime minister david cameron earlier this week dropped a bomb that he was going to later in this parliamentary term in a couple of years put britain's continued membership in the european union to a vote. and right now the union is not very popular among british politicians. so perhaps feeling the heat at home, cameron is responding this way? >> and what about the relationship with angela merkel of germany who put a tremendous amount of her own personal credibility on the line to help prop up the currency? >> well, you know, britain has long brideeled-- bridled under the rules that accompany its membership in the european unionment and david cameron has been hinting that the price of staying might be negotiating a better deal for his country in some of the areas that the european union governs. >> well, angela merkel and other european politicians in response have said, wait a minute, britain can't work out os own special deal. there's long been grumbling on the continent about britain's trying to tug against the reigns that hold it to the continent. angela merkel is being credited this week in davous with saving the joint european currency, some of the economists who predicted last year during last year's conference that the euro was not long for the world and that greece would certainly be out of the currency r now conceding that greece is probably in to stay and that the euro is probably in to stay as well. but it is at no small cost to angela merkel and her party. >> help put this in perspective. in your blog post yesterday you were writing about the sentiment response from george sorros, big time investor as well as mohamed el arian who runs a large investment fund. >> george sorros was one of the people who earlier-- early on said that the european union had designed the currency badly. and that its weaknesses would probably become evident. he felt that he had been vindicated when the economic crisis hit both north america and europe and suddenly the governments of european countries in the eurozone had to step in and guarantee all kinds of loans. weakening the currency. sorros says that angela merkel's efforts in the intervening 14 months have probably saved the euro. he gives her a lot of credit but he still isn't high on the future of the currency. he says that while germany has done very well by the currency, brought down the prices of its goods and made its exports affordable in many more places in the world, there is still serious problems with the euro that have to be taken into account. tonight i went to a high school here in this swiss alpine town where they invited all coppers, people attending the conference and locals to come hear european finance ministers talk about the future of the euro. and it's like discussing a patient that you thought was going to die and is now merely in intensive care. nobody likes to use the word austerity. the italian finance minister calls it responsibility. the german finance minister said oh, i don't like the sound of the word austerity it sounds so harsh in eng will be. i prefer the word discipline, which probably he jokes is a good german word. and earlier this week, the head of the imf called it consolidation. either way, it's painful. europe has 18 million unemployed, and these measures are going to have to stay in place for a long time to come. >> finally, ray, if you can give us a slice of the atmosphere n one of your posts you said it has been described by its critics, the entire conference and meeting as woodstock for gas bags, have they changed. are they trying to be more inclusive. is the agenda of the meeting any different? >> suarez: absolutely. in the year since 9/11, and then even reinforced in the years since the global-- global financial meltdown there's been a real attempt to bring in the critics of capitalism, bring in the critics of the world economic forum itself into the conference to be able to confront the leaders of industry and the leaders of government would come here year in and year out to deliver their critique. so not only is the crowd more diverse than it was a dozen years ago when i came for the first time, but also the matters under consideration are more diverse there is far more talk about global climate change. far more talk about inequality in wages. inside countries and then across different economic zones. a lot of worry about the poor, not necessarily out oval truism, but out of the understanding that if you can make the poor less poor, they will be better customers. and transnational business will prosper. >> all right, thanks, ray. and you can read ray's daily dispatches from davos on the rundown. >> brown: next, to the west african nation of mali. today, islamist fighters destroyed a bridge using explosives near the niger border. meanwhile, french forces pushed towards the rebel stronghold city of gao. but lindsey hilsum of independent television news reports that the malian army is now posing problems for the french military. >> reporter: the malian army is on the lookout for jihadis running from french bombing. soldiers in units fighting further north say the islamist fighters are well-armed and many of them very young. in the gendarmery in sevare, an officer brought out a 16-year- old he said had been captured near douentza, a town the jihadists had occupied until last week. the boy said he'd just been looking for work. >> ( translated ): they gave us clothes and shoes. we stayed with them, cooking for them. after a few days, one team of mutra hadeem went out to fight, but we stayed to cook for the others. >> reporter: he seemed bewildered. "i never carried a weapon," he said, "and my friend and i ran away when the fighting started." >> ( translated ): when the mutra hadeem left to give food to their colleagues at the checkpoints, we realized that we had to leave. when we were walking, we came face to face with a patrol of the malian army. they started asking us questions. when they realized that we stayed with the mutra hadeems, they took us with them to gendarmery to find out more about us. >> reporter: on a barren wasteland across town, a sign that both sides in this war can be cruel. and civilians are the ones who suffer. the well is spattered with blood-- the malian army is said to be responsible. you can just make out a body at the bottom of the pit. the old man shows us a second well. the french international federation for human rights says, in the last two weeks, malian soldiers in sevare have summarily murdered 11 tuaregs and arabs, accusing them of being jihadists. at least two bodies have been stuffed down these wells. the local people took this red earth and put it down the well to stop the body from smelling. this conflict is entering a very dangerous phase. most of the people i've met so far hate the jihadists. they want to support the malian army, but if the soldiers behave as badly as their enemies, then what is to stop the people from going to the other side? the french are only too aware of the problem. tuaregs and arabs farther north fear reprisals by the malian army-- to them, the jihadists might be the lesser of two evils. >> ( translated ): listen, it depends on the will of the local population. they have to choose their fate, whether or not to accept the jihadis. it's hard to accept a population that is in favor of the jihadis. so the malian people will decide the future of mali. >> reporter: french armor is far superior than that of al qaeda in the islamic maghreb, but if the people of northern mali fear and hate the malian troops fighting alongside the french, victory may me hollow and short- lived. >> brown: the malian army got a boost from britain today. its defense ministry will deploy a spy plane to mali to help with the military intervention. >> sreenivasan: now, a story about trash. as the nation produces more and more, one city is trying to eliminate all of it. newshour correspondent spencer michels reports. >> reporter: each year, americans throw away about 250 million tons of garbage. that's roughly four pounds per person per day. you can find all manner of trash in a landfill-- old music stands, plastic bags, and a lot of items that could have been recycled, like bottles and cardboard. beyond the obvious blight they cause, landfills create environmental damage, including carbon dioxide emissions. they are monuments to waste. those concerns have prompted san francisco and a handful of other cities to aim for a once- unthinkable goal-- zero waste. in 2009, san francisco became the first city in the country to require that residents and businesses separate compostable items, like food scraps, and recyclable goods, like paper, metals, and plastic, into separate bins from their trash. and that has led to a big reduction in the amount of garbage headed to the landfill, according to san francisco mayor ed lee. >> we're proud of the 80% diversion rate, the highest in the country, certainly of any city in north america. >> reporter: lee likes to talk garbage. he touts the fact that the city's recycling and composting law has helped the city keep 80% of its waste out of landfills; the national recycling average is just 35%. but lee wants the city to go even further. >> all of us, as part of our culture of living here in the bay area, have appreciated the goals of our environment and climate change and doing everything that we can. i think the 80%, we're not going to be satisfied with that, spencer. we want 100% zero waste. this is where we're going. >> reporter: is that possible? >> i think it is. it is possible. >> reporter: san francisco residents sven eberlein and debra baida think it's possible, too. they are avid recyclers and composters, so much so that they produce almost no trash. baida lists what goes into the compost bin. >> we put wrappers from our butter, we put any meat or package, that kind of packaged paper food, soiled food wrappings, tissues, q-tips, paper napkins, which we don't have in our home. if those come in, those go there. soiled paper plates, milk cartons. >> i go to travel somewhere, and i'm, you know, i have, like, an apple and "where's the compost?" you know, and i have to throw it in the trash, and it kind of, you know, it just doesn't feel quite right, you know. >> reporter: but not all san franciscans are as enthusiastic as eberlein and baida. those who refuse to sort their garbage can face fines ranging from $100 to $1,000. >> and we're just in your neighborhood trying to educate residents about composting and recycling. >> reporter: teams of workers from the city are knocking on doors of residents who, unbeknownst to them, have had their garbage cans inspected by auditors early in the morning. on the evening we followed along, outreach workers were visiting homes which had put items in the wrong bins. >> we've noticed there's been a lot of confusion about what goes in what bin, and so i'm here to answer any questions. >> i think were good with recycling, but i guess could you give me a rundown on what goes in composting? >> if it was once alive-- soiled food-- it is compostable. >> reporter: so far, only warnings have been given out; no fines have been imposed yet. and city officials say the move toward zero waste is catching on. san francisco's 80-year-old private garbage company, which recently invented a new name for itself-- "recology"-- has been investing in recycling and composting facilities, and trying to change san franciscans' perceptions of their garbage. >> where some see garbage, recology sees opportunity. working together, we've helped make san francisco america's greenest city. >> reporter: c.e.o. and president mike sangiacamo took us on a tour of recology's sprawling 22-acre composting facility northeast of san francisco. >> in terms of food waste composting, this is as good as it gets. we're creating a product that can be used on the soil to replenish nutrients that growing food crops take out of the soil. >> reporter: food scraps and yard clippings brought here-- some 400 tons a day- are turned into rich compost that is now being used by vineyards in napa and sonoma. in the rest of the nation, where composting is a rarity, 97% of food waste is disposed of in landfills, and that causes environmental problems, according to regional epa director jared blumenfeld. >> about half the food we buy from the supermarket ends up going into the landfill. that's unacceptable. the stuff that rots and smells produces methane, which is a very, very potent greenhouse gas. and even if there's a cover on the top of just soil and stuff, that goes into the atmosphere and is really contributing in a large way to climate change issues. >> reporter: beyond the environmental benefits, recology and city officials point to another perk of moving the city toward zero waste-- jobs. at recology's massive recycling center, which has been inundated in recent weeks with wrapping paper left over from the holidays, 186 jobs have been created over the past ten years. most of the sorting done here is by hand. workers separate plastics, cardboard, cans and bottles so they can be packaged and shipped to recycled material markets, mostly in asia. >> reporter: for all the ballyhoo over san francisco's recycling and composting programs, there are skeptics. some san franciscans say city officials haven't verified those rosy recycling and composting statistics. >> it's a myth, it's a bogus figure. >> reporter: quentin kopp, a former state senator, and member of the san francisco board of supervisors, was part of an unsuccessful ballot effort last year to open the city's garbage contract up to a competitive bidding process. kopp says recology is inflating their recycling figures so they can boast that they are leading the nation. >> yes, it is a good idea to recycle. it's also a good idea to be honest to the public about how much of the refuse and garbage in san francisco is actually being recycled. nobody knows, except probably this company knows. they falsify the quantity, they falsify the type of material, and it's part of a bogus scheme to inflate the amount of recycling done. and city hall goes along with it because it makes the politicians at city hall look good. >> reporter: how do you know the figures are accurate? does the city verify them? >> yes, spencer, we actually do. not only does our department of the environment go out and do audits, we actually have auditors that go out there and make sure that we're all in compliance with the way we measure it, and using the state standards and the state process to do it. >> reporter: so there's no doubt in your mind that the 80% is real. >> oh, no doubt at all, no doubt at all in my mind. >> reporter: whatever the actual number is, recycling and composting don't come free. >> all of the services we provide are paid for by the customers whose material we're taking away. >> reporter: are they paying more in rates because of all this recycling and composting than they would otherwise? >> i would bet they're paying a little more. but if you compare rates in the bay area-- san francisco versus other communities-- we're right in the middle of the pack. and we're doing a lot more recycling than any other communities. >> reporter: residents currently pay about $28 a month for their trash bins; recycling and composting bins are free. but last month, recology requested a rate increase, and for the first time, wants to charge for composting and recycling bins, something recology says is necessary as the city moves towards eliminating its trash by 2020. >> sreenivasan: spencer reflects on his "trashy" assignment, the moves by his city to reduce waste, and the financial factors at play behind the scenes. his blog is on our web site. >> brown: and to the analysis of shields and brooks. that's syndicated columnist mark shield and "new york times" columnist david brooks. >> don't worry, we recycle. >> all right, so the week began with the inauguration, we talked on monday it ends with the white house appointment of the new chief of staff, mark. what is the new team what is the language you heard this week tell you about the president that barack obama want os to be? >> i think like all re-elected presidents, he sees a mandate, an expanded vision of a mandate from the electoral victory. but he realizes time is short. and i think he does not show the same level of patience with the congress that he showed in his first term, that certain in patients, a realization that probably this is his best year in all likelihood, if history is any guide. i think he's been more sure footed. and i think a happier warrior as i said earlier. and i think the people, dennis mcdonough who has chosen to be his chief of staff is somebody whom he likes, whom he is comfortable with, it is very much in his comfort zone. >> uh-huh. >> and probably the only person ever to be white house chief of staff who was a safety for john gagleardi, the winningest coach in college football history. >> i knew we have some trivia. >> actually, many cornerbacks were also chiefs of staff. >> he, as my colleague peter baker said, it's stirred, not shakenment so he is has not taken new people from outside. >> i mean i said a new team but it's almost -- >> it's all the same people, just in different chairs. and a lot of people got promoted, some people like quitener left. but we know o booma by now. he does not like to bring in fwrerb blood. he likes people he trust, he likes people like mcdonough who would throw themselves on a grain aid for them, extremely loyal, trustworthy and they are to the going to leak. so he sticks with those people. and he's been doing since he became president. as for his term, i sort of thing he is in danger through no fault of his own or only halfway of really wasting these which-- few months, precious months of the second term on budget. i think we're going have a bunch of squabbles. the chance of us getting tax reform are mines call. so well he probably find a mediocre fix for the reconciliation, budget stuff. but we'll spend relative little time on big stuff. i think judging still by the inauguration, he's thinking the long-term. he's thinking the republican party is extraordinarily weak. i'm going to try to go around the country and try to build a new majority on pretty liberal terms. and it's not about passing legislation over the next four years. it's been really weakening the other side and building up my stuff. >> what do you think, speaking of the republicans, here they are meeting. they are having their annual meeting in charlotte. and we've talked about this too. their weakness, you just mentioned it again. they're trying to figure out how their position going forward. >> i do think the president at least implicitly and tacitly recognized the states that he made in the first term. i think the emphasis, reappointment of richard corddry and mary jo white at the securities and exchange mission san acknowledgment that in 1989 when we had the savings & loan scandal in this country, 724 savings an loans went over, it cost the taxpayer $87 billion. a thousand savings and lobe executives went to jail, a thousand. and this tarp and the bailouts, the banks, left us with $800 billion over,, well over 700 to taxpayers. and we could count on two hands the number of bankers. sow i think there is a sense that he is did not address this. his administration was not aggressive in the first term. he wants to be in the second term. as far as the republicans are concerned, they are simply going through the terrible stages every defeated party does. one side says we lost because we didn't stick enough to our principals. the other side we lost because we were too dog matic and didn't reach out to the undecided. so the first inclination is always to blame your own candidate. you blame al gore if are you a democrat in 2000, john kerry in 2004, you blame john mccain. the republicans want to blame mitt romney, that's fine. but mitt romney is more popular than the republican party. i mean he got 47%, the republicans are dead in the water right now. so you know they're going through a difficult period. and they have got to try and figure out that they can't talk to the latino, the fastest growing group in the country. they're basically not conversational with younger voters. they are asians have left them in droves. you know, they have just, they're an aging white party and in a country that is not less white-- that is less white each year. >> you farther bobby jindal gave a speech saying we're fighting the wrong fight that is one side of what he is talking about. >> the jindal speech is interesting because i think it is a sign that a lot of smart republicans like jindal understand the problem. but the jindal speech is still, it's as if your conservatives have learned to speak a special language within themselves about government and about you know, attacking liberal media. all the normal code words. and so jindal said some smart things in the abstract, we got to stop being a stupid party. we have to try to talk to outsiders. but he still lost in the prism of those code words, so does he tell a story about what it's like to be a waitress in ohio or what it's like to be a struggling hispanic worker in texas. he didn't talk that language. it's all about government, term limits, the old code word so it is's actually very hard to get outside the mental framework you've grown-up in. and the party is still stuck in that framework and i imagine it will be for months and maybe even years. it takes pain to force yourself. the key, it's not genius. if you want to win election you have to get people who didn't vote for to you vote four. and so focusing it and listening to those people that didn't vote for you is the step. and republicans still haven't taken that step. the people who are not already in your community what are they saying. that's the step. >> just to pick up one thing, there is the whole thing is what is the gimmick. must be some gimic. oh boy, it is social networking, it is-- it's -- >> electoral college. >> yeah, it's got to be something we can do that way. i mean that the other side is doing. radio with fdr republicans. and democrats said ronald reagan is good on television. question get somebody as good on tv as he is instead of that moment of introspection saying people found the other side, the other side are opponents to be more relevant, more real and more plausible to our lives and their lives than they found us. and that's-- it's a terrible thing to live with rejection but a losing party has to say what is it, and what you can't do is blame the voters. and i have heard ecoes of that the voters, that's the 47% of takers, you know, no wonder we can't win if they are all just parasites and worse. >> can i flip us into foreign policy because also this week there was hillary clinton testifying finally on benghazi. and then here is john kerry. first on benghazi, and hillary clinton s that still a live issue? >> i never thought it was a live issue. it was something to attack the administration on election fees. and there you know believe me there were false. but it was more a talking point. i think we've reached the final chapter. i think benghazi is over. and it was sort of a substitute for having a foreign policy debate. >> john kerry in his own testimony emphasizing the budget and how much the fiscal situation was a weakening american prestige because we look like a country that can't run ourselves. and b is just weakening what we can do around the world. because we just don't have the resources to do it. so he very explicitly said that which is something admiral mike mullhen said when he was chairman of the joint chiefs. >> he also brought up things like climate, food security. >> so i'm a little more skeptical that that will really dominatement a lot of people always say nonmilitary stuff will dominate our foreign policy but when you have to face iran this year, one way or the other, are you going to be back to pretty traditional power politics. >> but we have chosen two people in john kerry and chuck hagel, whoa whose response is not immediate resort to military intervention. i mean both of them i think have records that that is established. as far as the benghazi hearings, it was an embarrassment. it really was. i mean i thought the republicans in the senate foreign relations committee, especially senator johnson of wisconsin, jor rand of kentucky, senator rand paul, excuse me, were just lightweights. i moan they were looking at me, we when through 9/11 in this country. and not once in any hearing thereafter did any member of this administration, administration sitting in power then be questioned by a member of congress, the other party or their own party, what was going on. what were you hiding. the presumption that, you know, somehow you had some information and weren't sharing it and i thought hillary clinton handled herself well. i thought she was a grown-up in a meeting of add liss-- adolescents. >> she gave it back pretty tough. >> she if you can't take it on hillary clinton, don't start. i think we did learn that. >> what do you think of her, well, the performance this time but also to you we can look back at four years, what will stand out about her time. >> i think she is regarded as a successful secretary of state for sure. the question i would have is what was independent. and this is something i'm frankly ignorant on. i think people cover this closely. what was a clinton initiative. what do we say, aside from the foreign policy being paid by the president, what was the foreign policy she was responsible for. she did a lot of traveling. and she did a lot of talking to people. but what was her initiative? and i confess i have trouble, there was some emphasis on women, some other things like that but as far as a big shift in american foreign policy, that was hillary clinton's idea, she pushed it through, she executed this policy, it's tough to distinguish anything she did individually from what the president wants. >> do you have an answer to that? >> i don't. i mean i think it's a legitimate question. i am not sure what the great view of the world is. i mean it's been one of putting out iraq and afghanistan and putting those behind us and ending ten years of war. but beyond that, i mean, and dealing obviously on a day-to-day basis with all of the problems that the world puts in front of you, which they continue to do and will in the next four years as well, even more so. but i don't, i'm not sure that there was ever sort of a kissinger overarching theory, a strategy, at least i was unaware of it. >> in our last 30 seconds on this larger question of where we are now, this rebalancing tour, domestic issues, perhaps some question of whether we are sort of disengaginging. some fears of disengaginging. what do you think? >> i think events will change that. like i said, iran, the middle east, they never let you down, something will happen. and so i do not think, we want to disengaging. i think bipartisan but i don't think we are going to get. >> we want to but we won't get to. >> i mean, and we haven't even mentioned china. >> all that asia represents, you know n north korea, south korea, japan. i mean it is everywhere. even before we get to north africa. >> all right, mark shields, david brooks, thank you both so much. >> sreenivasan: finally, tonight's edition of "need to know" compares differences in how the u.s. and other countries deal with claims of medical malpractice. it's the second of two reports funded by the supporters of the non-profit, non-partisan advocacy group common good. in this excerpt, producer william brangham looks at a solution in denmark. >> after she sens her two young boys off to school, 34-year-old single mom januariette maria boards the bus for the hospital near her rural town in denmark. for several years starting around 2007 she complained to her doctor about bad headaches and feeling exhausted an nauseous all the time. but she says he told her the symptoms were all in her head. >> at one point i go and goog el my systems and kidney disease comes up and i show that to my doctor but he says like he said those other times, there's really nothing wrong with you. >> reporter: turns out she did have kidney disease. and now three days a week she spends five hours hooked up to dialysis. without a kidney transplant, she'll live like this for the rest of her life. back in 2006, stien larson felt a bulge in the back of his throat. >> in going to the specialist and they pretty fast concerns that this was cancer and had to be treated. >> aggressive radiation treatment was supposed to begin within weeks. but there was a backlog at the hospital. and so his treatment was delayed by months. his tumor kept growing, and his chances for survival went down. >> how much do they grow? >> it was on the way out, outside of my mouth. >> you could visualize it when he opened his mouth. >> if these people lived in the united states and they wanted some compensation for what had happened with their cases, they basically have one option. you hire a lawyer and you take your case to court. but here in denmark, they have a very different approach. instead of suing your doctor or hospital like we do in the u.s., here you direct your complaint to this office, the patient insurance association. martin erickson is the deputy director. >> so let's say i'm a patient and i believe that i have been hurt by a doctor or a hospital. what do i do? >> all you have to do is actually to fill in a claims form. you can even fill in on a web page. >> you done need a lawyer. >> don't node a lawyer. >> does it cost any money to file. >> it's absolutely free for the patient. only has to fill in the form. that is all you have to do. >> the patient's complaint about their injury then goes to an independent panel of lawyers, doctors and administrators. there is no courtroom. and no testimony. they examine a patient's medical records and hold it against this standard. would an experienced specialist in the field have acted differently, thereby avoiding the injury. if so, then a patient is offered compensation. all paid for by danish taxpayers. >> need to know airs tonight on most pbs stationsment. >> again the major developments of the day, a federal court ruled president obama's a pointments to the national labor relations >> sreenivasan: "need to know" airs tonight on 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guys out on a walk one night deciding they'd go kill some americans. what difference at this point does it make? it is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, senator. >> that did not satisfy the administration's leading critic, john mccain. >> i categorically reject your answer to senator johnson about, well, we didn't ask these survivors, who were flown to ramstein the next day, that is a spontaneous demonstration. the american people deserve to know answers. >>> diffusing the debt crisis, the house moving right now to raise the debt limit, but temporarily, and there's a catch. there's always a catch. >> this bill before us is real simple. it says, congress, if you don't do a budget, you don't get paid. >> this linkage is a gimmick, it's a joke, it's not right. it's designed to put people on the spot. >>> playing offense. the nra fights back against the president. >> he's more than willing to demonize his opponents, silence his critics, and slur the nra. >> our special guest, susan o z eisenhower taking on the web ad about the obama daughters. >>> and surprise, even bo obama gets into the act as the first family greets unsuspecting tourists at the white house. with, in fact, a fist bump from the commander in chief. >>> and good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. a busy day here, secretary clinton final facing tough questions from senate republicans about benghazi. >> i'm glad that you're accepting responsibility. i think that ultimately with your leaving you accept the culpability for the worst tragedy since 9/11, and i really mean that. had i been president at the time and i found that you did not read the cables from benghazi, you did not read the cables from ambassador stevens, i would have relieved you from your post. >> well, joining me now for our daily fix, chris cillizza, msnbc contributor and nbc's capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell, and david sanger. welcome, all. chris, we've seen these kinds of dramas before. this one was pretty tough. of course, the house side yet to come. how is hillary clinton, do you think, doing in terms of holding her own with a pretty tough brief? >> i think she's done quite well, and this is not an easy, as you point out, this is not an easy thing to do, andrea. i think it's fascinating. one democrat asks a question, then one republican. the democrat says, secretary clinton, thank you so much for your service, you've done a great job, there are no questions, then you go over to a rand paul, for example. that was the -- if you are interested in politics, that's the classic backhanded compliment. thank you so much for taking responsibility for your failures, and, by the way, if i was president, i would have fired you. but i wanted to thank you for that. it's kind of a one on, one off for her, but, look, it's not an easy topic, as you point out, andrea. she's kind of stuck to the story at this point. she's taken the heed, and i would say with ron johnson in particular, the senator from wisconsin, you saw that she was, you know, not going to sort of let positions of the administration get characterized in the way that she didn't believe was fair. >> and, kelly o'donnell, the house side is going to be likely tougher. you've got the house republicans in charge there. she won't have as many people, you know, watching her back. but john mccain, john mccain asked her about that cable that was sent by chris stevens, the ambassador who died on 9/11, the day of the attack. hillary clinton answered by talking about what the house has held back and the holds on security funds for their budget, but never really responded why she had not seen that cable, why all of these requests had not reached her desk. >> it was a deft sidestep and probably with the mccain/clinton matchup, it was the most even handed of the exchanges we saw today. they have a long history. they are good personal friends. there's a lot of respect between them. there is a lot of warmth between them, but on this issue, mccain got out of the way all of his thanks and salutations to the secretary, then said he strongly disagrees. she came prepared to put some of the burden back on congress, so she was armed with a lot of facts about things congress has done or not done that might contribute to the overall security picture for these missions in dangerous places. what i was also struck by is, i can't remember another time during a hearing when a senator referred to himself, if i were president. you do hear it on the campaign trail. that is really going beyond what we would normally hear, and that was probably the most notable matchup. ron johnson of wisconsin sort of got it started as far as republicans pressing her on the talking points issue. i thought it was also notable that she said she did not select susan rice to be the public spokesperson. she had nothing to do with the talking points and was very clear to point out that on the 12th of september, relatively hours after this attack, she had, in fact, described it as a terrorist attack and armed militant attack. definitely giving herself some distance from what was a real political football. >> david sanger, you've watched these kinds of confrontations before, these political debates, over foreign policy. there's a bigger issue here, which is what do we do about libya, what do we do about security, and what's happened since libya with some of those same elements moving into mali and then algeria. this is not going to be an easy issue to resolve in a second term for president obama. >> it certainly isn't, andrea. i think what was most notable about the testimony was that while the secretary came quite well prepared to talk about the question of benghazi and, of course, as you noted before, whether congress had underfunded the overall embassy security issue, which doesn't tell you very much about whether things would have gone on differently in benghazi. she didn't have very much to say about a strategy for combatting terrorism in north africa or for stepping up aid development, all of the other issues she used to talk about so regularly as a way of trying to stop terrorism from taking root in countries like this. and i think the interesting thing will be to see whether senator kerry, when he goes to testify tomorrow in his confirmation hearing, whether or not he comes to it with more of a sort of big picture strategy of what he would do within the region. now, it's possible that one reason the secretary didn't have that, is, of course, she's been out sick for a good number of weeks and they have been cons e consumed by the individual incident in benghazi. >> of course, the overriding question that the republican critics have been focusing on is susan rice, the talking points, this is another one of the exchanges with senator johnson and hillary clinton. >> do you disagree with me that a simple phone call to those evacuees to determine what happened wouldn't have ascertained immediately there was no protest? that was a piece of information that koufcould have been easily easily obtained within hours, if not days. >> senator, when you're in these positions, the last thing you want to do is interfere with any other process going on -- number one. >> i realize that's a good excuse. >> no, it's the fact. >> kelly, these freshmen senators, we noted ted cruz last week on "meet the press," they are not shy. >> no, they are not. it takes a lot of sense of self to run for the united states senate, and they certainly displayed that. one of the underlying issues here is these senators who are talking about the details of what happened with susan rice make the argument that this was a case where the american public was told one scenario, that not only was slight of what happened but in contrast to officials say was a terrorist attack. while they are kind of picking on these issues that happened weeks, now a couple of months ago, they are telling me when we talked about that, they are interested in trying to shine a light on the fact that it shouldn't be a case if information is withheld, that's one thing. but if information is sending the public in a different direction, that is worthy of more scrutiny. that's why there's been so much focus on this. >> david sanger, tom friedman, one of your colleagues at "the new york time" wrote today that we're not looking at the big picture in foreign policy. we have so circumscribed our secretary of state, we evaluate them by how many million-mile markers or how many countries they visited, but not sort of the big breakthroughs because of some of the problems we have with china, with russia. this world is a very complicated place that john kerry is likely going to inherit. >> is indeed, and i think one of the big questions that we have at the end of secretary clinton's time is, is this an administration that wants to empower the secretary of state to do those kinds of things? what's interesting is that while the secretary had territory that was clearly her own, a part of china policy, a lot of pakistan policy, a lot of counterterrorism policy, was run directly out of the white house and out of the national security council. in this case, in the case of benghazi, because it got to a question of embassy security, it fell more directly on the state department. but, you know, you heard the echoes of some of those broader questions come up today when the secretary was asked, for example, well, why isn't the military -- why wasn't the military there to protect the benghazi consulate, and the answer is, it's not been a major mission of the military in the past to protect embassies. they mostly protect the classified documents. >> this wasn't an embassy, it was an intelligence listening post, that's why they didn't want a military presence, they didn't want to draw attention to it. chris cillizza, the foreign policy, in many regards, has been run out of the white house, and perhaps even more so because mcdonagh, the deputy of national security director is going to be the next chief of staff. >> right. no reason to think that will change. andrea, look, we don't focus enough on foreign policy, but the challenges, we focus on the domestic challenges for barack obama, and as we talked about, his inaugural speech was very domestically focused. look, we just had elections in israel, john kerry not in the same place benjamin netanyahu is regarding a two-state solution, at least right now. there are huge challenges, iran, there are huge challenges in the foreign policy front that don't get talked about as much, but are clearly things that not only will be difficult for the president and his team to navigate, but will also have a significant say in how this president is viewed by history. >> and, by the way, we just got word that the white house is going to proceed with a nomination of general allen to be the nato supreme allied commander now that he's been cleared by the pentagon investigation going back to the petraeus case. thanks to all of you, david sanger and kelly o'donnell, of course, and chris cillizza, see you later. thanks very much. >>> clinton today put a lot of blame on congress for withholding aid. >> we have to get our act together between the administration and congress. if this is a priority and if we are serious about trying it help this government stand up security and deal with what is a very dangerous environment, from east to west, then we have to work together. i also hope we're looking forward, because right now, libya is still dangerous, it is still in a very unstable status, and whatever we can do for them, we at least ought to agree we need to do and get out there and start delivering. >> one of the members of the senate foreign relations committee, who is asking questions, is the new hampshire senator jean chacin, former governor, democratic member of the committee, who was in the hearing room. you're joining us right now from the russell building. senator shaheen? and as we wait for senator shaheen to get all hooked up there and get the audio straightened out, we've been talking about hillary clinton's testimony today in the senate. this afternoon she's going to be testifying in the house, the house foreign relations committee, which has been just as tough, if not more so than the senators have been, on the record of why susan rice was the person going out on the sunday talk shows, why the cia talking points focused less on terrorism and more on protests and what had happened in cairo. senator shaheen, thanks so much for rushing over. i know this is a very busy day, no time in between appointments, but the hearing today, as we've been discussing, focused a lot on the talking points, the immediate aftermath, not on the bigger strokes. what about hillary clinton's responses, though, on security? there were plenty of warnings, we knew what happened with the british ambassador. this was an accident waiting to happen, it should not have been a surprise. >> well, and i think the accountability review board headed by ambassador pickering and admiral mullen, in their report, pointed that out, that there were serious mistakes that were made. i think secretary clinton has taken responsibility for that. she has begun to implement those recommendations from the report and made moves to try and ensure first that our other personnel and other people working in high-risk areas are protected. and, second, that we address the conditions that led to benghazi. >> senator, there were plenty of warnings, though, including the secretary was asked about a cable that came on the very day of that horrible attack, on 9/11, a cable from ambassador stevens to the secretary. i heard john mccain ask that question, secretary clinton didn't get a chance to or sidestepped answering it. have you gotten answers to that question? >> i haven't. i have not seen the cable. i have not heard the secretary respond to that, as you point out, she did not have a chance to answer that this morning in the hearing. but, again, i think the important thing for us to do now is to make sure that what happened in the lead up to benghazi does not happen again. and one of the real challenges we have is making sure that we can provide the security that has been requested by state, now that it's clear that changes need to be made, and so we've got a job to do here in congress. we've got to make sure that those funds that have been requested to be transferred from what's already existing in our overseas contingency account, to make sure that those can go to provide the security, to address the personnel changes that are going to be needed, and to beef up the facilities in places where they are at risk. >> hillary clinton has had, by all accounts, a stellar tenure as secretary of state, her polling is off the charts. what is your impression about benghazi and whether this incident will be a problem if she does decide down the road to run for president? >> i think what we ask of our leaders in government is that they do the best job that they can, that when there are mistakes made, that they acknowledge the responsibility for those mistakes where they occur, and that they work to address the mistakes that have been made. i think secretary clinton has done that. that's what i would hope everybody would do in this kind of a situation, and sadly, we can't undo this tragedy. i know we would all like to do that, but what we've got to do is to learn from that, to go forward, and to make sure we take every precaution so that it doesn't happen again. and that's why congress needs to act, just as the state department needs to act, and the administration needs to act. >> what did you think of your colleague, senator rand paul, saying that if he were president, he would have fired hillary clinton when this happened? >> well, i don't think in the wake of this kind of tragedy, with the security of so many people at risk, that grandstanding is helpful. i think what's important is for all of us to work together. you know, one of the things you talked about, the grand strategy of our foreign policy. one of the things that has made this country great and made our foreign policy strong for such a long time has been the willingness of parties to work together, to put aside our partisan differences when it comes to these international issues and to act together when the security and the interests of the united states are threatened. and that's what we need to do now. we need to work together to address the situation that led up to benghazi, make sure it doesn't happen again, and go forward together in a way that the american people want. >> senator jean shaheen, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> from new hampshire. >>> and still ahead, new jersey congressman chris smith previewing this afternoon's house hearing. secretary clinton will be fielding more tough questions at 2:00. >>> next, whom can we rely on to protect american diplomats in an increasingly volatile africa? 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[ male announcer ] unlimited nba from sprint changes everything. get truly unlimited data from sprint. official wireless partner of the nba. >>> hillary clinton testified today that she took responsibility, but that congress is still now asking how security requests got turned down or were ignored, including a cable from ambassador chris stevens to her on 9/11, the very day of the attack that killed him. today, clinton pointed out it's a different world. >> benghazi did not happen in a vacuum. the arab revolutions have scrambled power dynamics and shattered security forces across the region. instability in mali has created an expanding safe haven for terrorists who look to expand their influence and plot further attacks of the kind we saw just last week in algeria. >> joining me now, former director of the national counterterrorism center and intelligence and security analyst for nbc news, and nick burns, professor at the harvard kennedy school and former u.s. ambassador to nato, as well as other places. thank you, both, very much. nick, first to you. what did you hear today that would make anything any different in one of these outposts going forward? these are countries that cannot provide host government security. we are not budgeting the money for, certainly, not for marines and military security, and, in fact, this outpost in benghazi was basically an intelligence listening post where we didn't want to have a huge garrison. >> i heard a lot of the republican bickering from the campaign, because benghazi fell in the middle of the campaign between president obama and governor romney, and you heard residues of that this morning. i certainly understand that the republicans in the congress have an obligation to ask tough questions, but secretary clinton was forthcoming today, she took responsibility. she said she'd implement every single one of the recommendations of the accountability review board, and i thought she made a very good suggestion, let's work, the administration and congress, more effectively together on two areas. one is more funding for embassy security. the congress has not fully funded the obama administration request for embassy security, and, two, more funding for some of the governments in the region that need to be stronger to protect us. she pointed out congress has blocked funds that would have us assist the libyan government so, responsibility of security is the host government's responsibility. we rely on them. and that militia group in benghazi failed us on september 11th and 12th, so we need to reenforce the ability of these governments to protect our embassies and consulates in 275 different locations around the world. >> well, that raises a point, michael lighter, if we should be in 275 locations. we don't want to retreat from the world, but basically according to the review board that admiral mullen and pickering went through, they looked through the videos and say this host government local militia just turned tail and ran before the attack, or as the attack, was taking place. >> i think what we saw in libya was a slowness on behalf of the state department to adjust to very, very different circumstances in libya. and during the ghadafi area, you could have had people there and the security forces would have protected the installation. clearly, it was a much more dangerous place than we were set up to deal with. these are the places we have to be. if we don't want to have to dedicate large military forces or special operations and going after all these people, we have have to have a diplomatic presence popping up in north africa and elsewhere. it's going to be hard. these are dangerous posts. in this case we underestimated the risk, but we're going to face these in the future. >> the administration took the initiative to create an african core and position them seven hours away. do we need to move military into north africa, or is it too risky to have our troops? >> i don't think it's too risky, but there's advantages to having a large u.s. military on the ground. in some cases, it's increased alienation from the u.s. i think in the case of benghazi, we actually had a pretty good american response to the crisis. now, of course, there was the attack that killed two more cia contractors, but there was a fairly effective evacuation from the embassy. there was a plan that was followed, and people were genuinely secure. these are dangerous places, and, again, i think we overestimated how much the libyan security forces would do for us. we can't do that in the future, but from my experience at the national counterterrorism center, we would see threats against u.s. consulates, embassies, and missions once, twice, several times a week somewhere around the globe, so it's very easy after the fact to say, clearly, this is where the attack would be. but before it actually happens, it's much more difficult to defend all of these facilities. >> nick burns, more broadly, what about the fact that libya falls and ghadafi is gone, and that is generally seen by the u.s. and its allies as a good thing, but the bad guys then move on to algeria, they move on to mali, first, then algeria. you saw what happened and the deaths of americans and other contractors and employees just this past week. so, north africa is a new al qaeda haven, or al qaeda elements. >> it is. here, andrea, i think this crisis that we experienced on september 11th and 12th in benghazi, here's where it's evolved, and secretary clinton mentioned this at the hearing this morning, we have a crisis in north africa, the vast expanse thousands of miles across the sahara desert from niger to mali, algeria and morocco, you have radical islamist elements that have taken power in northern mali. the french government has gone out to meet that threat with the support of many african countries and the united states. i think as the house meets this afternoon and questions secretary clinton, we really ought to be talking about that issue, because the administration, obviously, made some mistakes before benghazi and the wake of benghazi, and they've admitted that. but we now need to move on to protect our diplomats but also meet this radical threat in north africa. remember, it was a obscure radical terrorist group that attacked our embassies in nairobi in 1998, hundreds of people were killed, and the same group attacked us on 9/11, al qaeda. now an offshoot of that group is at work with other radical elements in north africa. we have to go out and meet that threat. it's not ours alone to meet, the french and the african countries are quite willing to take it on, but they need our help. and i agree with michael, we cannot retreat from the world. we got to have our diplomats fully present in dangerous areas like that. our diplomats are willing to meet that threat, but they now need the support of congress to fully fund security for them. >> nick burns, thank you so much, good to see you. and, of course, michael lighter here in washington. >>> we have this breaking news now from the house. the house has passed the extension of the debt limit to may 19th. the vote was 285 to 144 and the measure now moves on to the senate. >>> and next, former first granddaughter susan eisenhower with her message to the nra. >>> time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. kathleen king had a successful bakery business in the hamptons, but a partnership that went sour resulted in her losing it. left with a storefront and a recipe, she now makes more than 2 million cookies a week with over $10 million in sales. for more, watch "your business" on msnbc sunday mornings. what are you doing? 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(announcer) scottrade. voted "best investment services company." >>> with only a short break to recover from the grilling that she got from the senate this morning, hillary clinton is going to get another turn this afternoon in front of the house. one of those asking the questions is new jersey republican chris smith, who joins me now. congressman, thank you very much. >> andrea, good to see you again. >> good to see you. what do you want to hear from hillary clinton? >> i watched some of the senate's testimony, read testimony, glad to have her on capitol hill, but there's so many unanswered questions. you know, it's as if we never learned the lessons. back in 1985, admiral bobby inman issued the inman commission report. in 1999, admiral crowe and i chaired the hearings after our embassies got bombed in tanzania and nairobi, kenya. 200 people dead, 4,000 wounded and injured. many of the same recommendations that were made by the most recent accountability review board were made back then, so it's a matter of implementation and leadership, which seems to be lacking. and we really still don't know what the secretary knew prior to september 11, 2012. we know what she did afterwards, that's what she talked about today, but there are huge questions about security requests that our ambassador in libya had made to the department. did she know about it? those answers still are forthcoming and they have not come. >> well, one of her points today, i think, in answer to senator mccain or one of the critics is that it's congress that's held back money. let me play a little bit of that. >> sure. >> since march 2011, congressional holds have been placed on programs for many months for aid to libya. we've had frequent congressional complaints, why are we doing anything for libya, it's a wealthy country, it has oil, disagreement from some sources that we should never have been part of any u.n. mission in libya. currently, the house has holds on bilateral security assistance, on other kinds of support for antiterrorism assistance. >> i mean, as she put it, doesn't the white house, the administration, and congress have to get their act together as to if we want more security, prove it, budget it. >> obviously, we could always do more, andrea. but i was the author of the secure embassy construction and counterterrorism act of 1999. since 1998, we have tripled from 1,000 to 3,100 diplomatic security agents and personnel. it's a matter of leadership and the proper deployment, so there was a little misdirection there on that answer. when it comes to security for an ambassador, christopher stevens and the three other individuals and those who were wounded, that's a matter of prioritizing the resources that you have and ensuring that when the ambassador makes a request, when his team makes a request of the department, those funds and that deployment of personnel are forthcoming. added to that, there's still questions about the military. seven hours after the attack began was when two of the individuals, the americans, died. i could fly from here to london in seven hours or so. we couldn't get military assets there to protect americans who are under siege? so there's questions about what president obama was doing at the time during those long seven hours, and there's questions about why we didn't have military personnel there to protect our people who are in dire straits. >> congressman, the military is prepositioned in studegar, not even close. they say because it would be worse for us diplomatically to have a big footprint there. do you reject that? do you think we should have forward basing and do you think we should have marines at these outposts? >> again, we still don't know what went on prior to september 11th in terms of the requests that were made and especially how they were acted upon. three individuals, at least, have been put on administrative leave because of mistakes that were made, but how high up did it go? i'm shocked, frankly, that in an era where we want transparency, that secretary clinton herself was not interviewed by thomas pickering and his accountability review board. you don't just interview mid-level people about what they knew and when they knew it, you have to go higher throughout the entire chain of command. and, again, since there were early indications that this was a hot spot, that the february 17th brigade, which was one of those charged with protecting us, our military -- i mean, our diplomatic people, was of very, very questionable allegiance. who vetted them? those kinds of red flags should have triggered either our ambassador not going to benghazi that day, or other actions being taken, especially when you talk about having more people there to provide protection. you know, he had less people in benghazi than he did a year before when he went there. that's unconscionable, so -- pardon me, mistakes were made, in my opinion and the opinion of many others. i watched the secretary, she was very smart in talking about what we need to do, but what was or was not done prior to the initiation of these hostilities, this terrorist attack against americans. >> we're going to have to leave it there and watch your hearing this afternoon. thank you very much, congressman. >>> surprising election results in israel for benjamin netanyahu. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? 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>>> israeli elections have left prime minister benjamin netanyahu with a stronger majority. the big surprise, though, with a second-place finish led by a israeli celebrity who emphasizes pocketbook issues, not so much the foreign threats or the peace process itself. joining me now, israel's ambassador michael oren. this is not a system familiar to many americans, ambassador, but thanks so much for taking us through it. what's going to happen now as the prime minister tries to create a coalition, and will his policies change towards either the palestinians or the united states as a result of this election? >> good afternoon, andrea. always good to be with you. we just concluded the inauguration of president obama's second term and israelis have now celebrated our democracy by going to the polls and turning out some interesting results, including a decisive victory for prime minister benjamin netanyahu, and, yes, an interesting victory for the head of a party, a new party, a centrist party, headed by journalist and writer lapeed. it's not going to be major changes in terms of the peace process, prime minister netanyahu's position calls for direct talks with the palestinians without preconditions, to establish a two-state solution for two peoples, based on security and mutual recognition. that's the position of the obama administration, and i think that's the position of lapeed's party, as well. in terms of the relationship with the united states, we're committed to the closest possible alliance with the united states. that has been the situation for the last four years, and that will continue. you are right that there's a greater emphasis on some of the social issues in our country, which are not so different than the issues in the united states. that includes a livable middle class wage, a housing for young people, economic opportunities, these have been the issues that have really come to the forefront in the last elections in israel. >> might it be necessary for the prime minister to back off of the new settlements, for instance, which are such a bone of contention with the administration here, and, of course, with the palestinians? >> i think there's a strong centrist feeling the settlements are not the major issues in the search for peace. settlements can be negotiated in the dreblth tairect talks. he is largely directive of direct negotiations without preconditions and the settlement issue will be resolved with that. netanyahu is speaking in a joint session of congress and said express he he understands that there settlements that lie beyond israel's borders. >> what about iran and the possibility of military action against iran? >> not much change here. israelis understand that iran poses the paramount threat to israel in the region. the iranian nuclear program and support for terror. we have the greatest stake in the game and the greatest skin in the game. no country has a greater threat than resolving the threat through diplomatic means. we hope that crippling sanctions and military threat will dissuade them from nuclear weapons. the position of netanyahu and i believe of the vast majority of israelis and the obama as min station. all options should remain on the table and containment is not an option. >> what about chuck hagel and talk about concern of supporters that he is not strongly enough a supporter of israel. he tried to a swage that and met with jewish groups. what is your sense as to chuck hagel as defense secretary? >> israel will also respect the senior administration officials nominated by president obama and confirmed by congress. i have not personally met senator hagel, but the deputy foreign minster met frequently with senator hagel who understands the partnership between the united states and israel and the support is in america's interest. i have worked with two sec tears of defense and i agree with what our minster of defense said. the defense relationships between the u.s. and israel are better than ever and i have confidence that relationship will continue to strengthen and grow. >> thank you very much. israel's ambassador to the united states. we'll be right back. the wing and a fractured beak. surgery was successful, but he will be in a cast until it is fully healed, possibly several months. so, if the duck isn't able to work, how will he pay for his living expenses? aflac. like his rent and car payments? aflac. what about gas and groceries? aflac. cell phone? aflac, but i doubt he'll be using his phone for quite a while cause like i said, he has a fractured beak. [ male announcer ] send the aflac duck a get-well card at >>> that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." tomorrow, the new hampshire city and kay hagan and richard stengle from the economic summit. i guess you have more hillary clinton. >> indeed we do. round two for the second time today. secretary hillary clinton will testify before a congressional committee on the benghazi attacks the second time and appear before the committee. it leaves to describe clinton as combative as ever. blasted another senator's line of questioning, calling it the biggest fairy tale she had ever seen. the emotional moment when the secretary teared up. we will have all of what happened earlier and the live event going down within the hour. age your money. that's not much you think. except it's 2% every year. does that make a difference? search "cost of financial advisors" ouch. over time it really adds up. then go to e-trade and find out how much our advice costs. spoiler alert: it's low. really? yes, really. e-trade offers investment advice and guidance from dedicated, professional financial consultants. it's guidance on your terms, not ours. that's how our system works. e-trade. less for us. more for you.
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kwame holman. >> holman: president obama chose his long-time foreign policy advisor denis mcdonough to be the new white house chief of staff. mr. obama made the announcement this afternoon. he lauded mcdonough, and told him, "i know you'll always give it to me straight, as only a friend can." mcdonough will take over from jack lew, who's been nominated to replace timothy geithner as the next treasury secretary. today was geithner's last day after four years on the job. in a final interview, he said he's hopeful the economy will strengthen this year. the defense department has begun eliminating the jobs of all 46,000 temporary civilian employees at the pentagon. the announcement today said it's a response to mandatory, across- the-board spending cuts. they're scheduled to take effect march 1, unless congress comes up with alternative cuts. without changes, hundreds of thousands of full-time civilian employees will face furloughs and reduced paychecks by april. the government of syria called today for thousands of refugees to come home, including those opposed to the regime. nearly 600,0
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. >> holman: president obama chose his long-time foreign policy advisor denis mcdonough to be the new white house chief of staff. mr. obama made the announcement this afternoon. he lauded mcdonough, and told him, "i know you'll always give it to me straight, as only a friend can." mcdonough will take over from jack lew, who's been nominated to replace timothy geithner as the next treasury secretary. today was geithner's last day, after four years on the job. in a final interview, he said he's hopeful the economy will strengthen this year. the defense department has begun eliminating the jobs of all 46,000 temporary civilian employees at the pentagon. the announcement today said it's a response to mandatory, across- the-board spending cuts. they're scheduled to take effect march 1, unless congress comes up with alternative cuts. without changes, hundreds of thousands of full-time civilian employees will face furloughs and reduced paychecks by april. the government of syria called today for thousands of refugees to come home, including those opposed to the regime. nearly 600,000 syrians have
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concentrate on it during the foreign policy debate. the truth is the assassination of the ambassador and three other americans by terrorists in libya has not engaged in the american people. president hillary clinton know that they also know that the national media adores them. and that's a fact. that's the memo. now for the top story tonight, there is no question 60 mince interviews would a big win for president obama and secretary clinton. they got great pr out of it. joining us from washington is senior political analyst brit hume. yesterday i you told chris wallace that you think hillary clinton should not be described as that great secretary of state. why? >> well, first of all, it's no, not easy to be a great secretary of state. foreign policy is a province really of the president. the secretary of state is the person who is his emissary and he is expected to direct the diplomats to carry it out. so that's point one. point 2 is, that she has worked very hard. she has traveled all over the place. set some record, some 112 countries. the list of achievements that can be attributed to
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